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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 17 points 1 day ago (6 children)

unless you live someplace, ya know, not designed for bikes in absolutely any capacity.... say, 95% of the united states.

whoever made this is living in a fantasy world

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Man, imagine if people in the Netherlands in the 70s had this much of a defeatist mindset, they may never have managed to improve whatsoever that way.

easy to say when you have one millionth of the landmass and a culture not appropriated by corporate profits.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe start to build and improve bicycle and public transportation infrastructure?

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

im not sure if youve heard of the unites states, but shit doesnt work like that here.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

because we have literally a million times the landmass, 25 Times the population in that landmass and a culture thats 100% appropriated by corporate profits over even healthcare.

its not even kind of the same environment.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

Population density in cities isn't much different. Car infrastructure needs to be maintained and built too. So might as well build different kind of infra instead. But about the culture, yeah you have a point. The country chose for more money to the rich, take away rights and money from the rest. When the country is in support of corporate greed, I agree it will be hard to change when those empowered corporates decide everything.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech 2 points 1 day ago

He lives in Hungary, and lived in Prague for several years... Not a fantasy world but at least public transit is very competitive in cities

[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think there's a lot of great arguments about why someone living in a city of most sizes doesn't need a car and can use a bicycle for most of their needs.

I don't think it applies to vast swaths of America.

Edit: And, yeah, that's an issue.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

also, just because you would never need to own an ev because you live in a city doesnt mean you would never benefit from one. your deliveries arent made by bike and never would be. your emergency services, bulk transport like buses..

its just silly and short-sighted to tell people to ignore electric vehicles

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Actually my deliveries are often done by bike.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How did your package arrive at the local delivery hub, though?

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean the last few kms of course. But food delivery is usually by bike.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

exactly. I would LOVE to not have to spend thousands of dollars on a car, insurance, fuel, etc. but that's not realistic.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Not with the current mindset and infrastructure completely focused on cars. But here in the Netherlands we changed our car focused cities to bike and public transportation focused infra, and continue to do so. You don't have a choice if there are no sidewalks, bike lanes and reliable and regular busses, trams, subways and trains. So maybe fix that instead of continuing a dystopian cartopia. Over 80% in the US lives in urbanized area, they should be able to live without a car. I understand car use in rural areas but in cities it's just dumb. As well as intercity travel. Instead of saying "it's just not possible", why not look at the Netherlands where they already did it with great success. Other countries follow too, like Denmark for example. It's not that you can't, it's just that you won't.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

It only works if there is good public transit, which there isn't. I personally see it as an argument in favor of investing more in public transit.