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How can the Fediverse protect against AI slop? (lemm.ee)
submitted 2 weeks ago by bigfoot@lemm.ee to c/fediverse@lemmy.ml
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The Fediverse is a great system for preventing bad actors from disrupting "real" human-human conversations, because all of the mods, developers and admins are all working out of a desire to connect people (as opposed to "trust and safety" teams more concerned about user retention).

Right now it seems that the Fediverses main protection is that it just isn't a juicy enough target for wide scale spam and bad faith agenda pushers.

But assuming the Fediverse does grow to a significant scale, what (current or future) mechanisms are/could be in place to fend off a flood of AI slop that is hard to distinguish from human? Even the most committed instance admins can only do so much.

For example, I have a feeling all "good" instances in the near future will eventually have to turn on registration applications and only federate with other instances that do the same. But it's not crazy to imagine that GPT could soon outmaneuver most registration questions which means registrations will only slow the growth of the problem but not manage it long-term.

Any thoughts on this topic?

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[–] Blaze 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

lemmy.world are moderated you have zero recourse

!yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

[–] th3raid0r@tucson.social 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

???

I don't particularly have any issues with them.

But if a user did, they don't have much recourse. I'm talking about that as a structural aspect. Not a moral one.

But sure if you just want to claim this puts me in the !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com community by ripping it out from any relevant context, go ahead I guess?

[–] Blaze 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I didn't say you were power tripping.

I was mentioning that community as a way to handle power tripping mods.

It also works, !lotrmemes@midwest.social is being replaced by !lotrmemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com after the admin started power tripping.

So it's not just moral, it also has a real impact by allowing users to organize and switch communities

[–] th3raid0r@tucson.social 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh okay! I'm sorry about the misunderstanding.

[–] Blaze 4 points 2 weeks ago

No worries!

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh wow you are fast - I just commented with the identical example. :-)

[–] Blaze 2 points 2 weeks ago

Nice comment!

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

Fwiw, Blaze I'm sure was saying that the recourse could be to post the infraction there, so that people become aware of a "power tripping bastard", i.e. the lemmy.world mod hypothetical example mentioned earlier.

Multiple times communities have been shifted from one instance to another due to precisely this effect. A recent example is how !lotrmemes@midwest.social now has an alternative !lotrmemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com to help people get out from under the heel of the power tripping admin of that particular instance (described in a recent post in the !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com community).

[–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"Power tripping mods" definitionally cannot exist on the fediverse where anyone can create an instance or community. Even on Reddit, 99% of the time someone said a mod was "power tripping" it was just a right winger upset that the mod removed their disruptive nonsense.

The purpose of communities like the one you linked to is to shame mods into employing a passive, generic bare-minimum style of moderation, when we should be encouraging the opposite if we want diversity in the fediverse.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Power tripping mods can exist anywhere there are mods, even here. The rest of your point stands though.

[–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's theirs. They can do whatever they want. Any limits their power within the instance/community is purely voluntary on the part of the owner.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Instance = admin, community = mod, but either can still power trip within the confines of their little worlds.

[–] Blaze 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Three examples from that community, where other people can discuss the moderation, and see whether it's power tripping or not.

right winger upset

Right wingers aren't that numberous of Lemmy, but when this happens it gets quickly disqualified by the people commenting

anyone can create an instance or community

Enjoy your empty community nobody cares about because people post on the one where most of the people are, where the power tripping mod is operating

[–] bigfoot@lemm.ee -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Mods and admins on the Fediverse are not democratically elected, they have complete control. Accusing one of "power tripping", in their own community, on the instance they presumably pay for, is not a rational accusation, since they definitionally cannot exist in a state of less power. What that community is trying to do is use the threat of public shaming to influence behavior. It's how you get weak moderation and generic communities where bad actors can thrive. A community dedicated to "Stopping bad mods" sounds good on the surface, but it's an argument made in bad faith.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

The first sentence you wrote is either misleading or incorrect, and I think it's important to reexamine. Each administrator has control over the instance they run, but they don't have control over the Fediverse itself, and because it's so easy for people to move to other instances, they have little control over other users.

[–] Blaze 2 points 2 weeks ago

Accusing one of “power tripping”, in their own community, on the instance they presumably pay for, is not a rational accusation, since they definitionally cannot exist in a state of less power

Mods don't pay for the instance, they aren't in charge of any of it.

Some admins have strong policies against getting involved into moderation of communities, leaving potential power tripping mods unchecked.

What that community is trying to do is use the threat of public shaming to influence behavior. It’s how you get weak moderation and generic communities.

  • A community is the most popular on a topic, it's by far the most active community on that topic across the whole platform
  • The single mod, who was just the first one to create the community when everyone came to Lemmy, starts to power trip
  • The admin does not want to intervene
  • What solution do the users have besides organizing on a community like !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com ?