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You're really missing my point here.
I am not missing it, I am saying, from my perspective, this idea of it being so complex it can only be manufactured somewhere in China, is wrong.
Hell, my engineer friends, given material, and their tools, could do it in 2 days by reading blueprints and latheing from scratch.
That was not my claim. So yes you are.
So what couldn't I manufacture in a fully equipped metal shop? Given materials.
So many things you could not imagine.
This isn't conceptual. A book was written by a man who tried to make a toaster from the very base components. It was in no way easy.
https://www.amazon.com/Toaster-Project-Attempt-Electric-Appliance/dp/B00ANYWFP6
Also, I am not going to talk to you in two different comment chains, so pick one.
That does look like an interesting read, but reading the abstract, he goes a bit fanatical, in that he tries to smelt the metal himself. The metal industry (and plastic) is alive and well in Europe, you can buy prepared metal, wires, microchips, buttons and other needed materials easily, down to plastic beads you can put in a mold (or more likely, just 3d print these days), given these, I don't see having a problem building a functional, albeit less aesthetically refined toaster in 2 days.
Do you think those appear out of thin air? Because that was my whole damn point. Those prepared items come from other parts of the world. You can't manufacture all of them in Europe and if you tried, it would take a hell of a lot more than five years and drive prices up ridiculously.
I'm not sure why you think I'm talking about final assembly when I've made it clear multiple times that I'm talking about all the steps before final assembly, many of which require global shipping.
Just because the cheapest come from somewhere beyond the sea, doesn't mean there aren't local equivalents. I just bought missing motorcycle parts that are manufactured in Poland, and I do prefer German, Polish manufacture, because it's inherently more reliable and doesn't have the added guess-work for Chinese manufacturing. And yes, Europe does manufacture microchips, buttons, wires, and other components that (among many things) make new nuclear plants work.
I can agree that some materials are only available in specific regions, and so global-ish shipping would never die (and doesn't need to), but over-reliance is a long time debt that should go away.
So your point essentially is that you don't care if things get hugely more expensive because you'll be fine. Got it.
There is a more fair price to pay for products, if you don't buy from china. Investing into local manufacturing makes sense. And people don't ask for fair wages, because people I talk to haven't had a raise in 10-20 years, even though inflation went crazy over the past 10 years.
I can agree that finances drive our choices, but it is a bit insane to say the only solution is to keep the global trade going and only buy from China. Surely it is possible to produce locally and pay people fair money (per European lifestyle) while not going bankrupt, otherwise, how does it even make sense to assume China (and other Asian countries) will just keep producing items for cheap?
Does it make sense for those five years you were talking about where everything is super expensive? Because that sounds like quite the position of privilege.
It also sounds like a very privileged position blaming the lack of fair wages on the workers not asking for them.
How is it a position of privilege? It would mean that manufacturing in Europe would gain a lot of income, provide more lower skill jobs in Europe, consolidate the economy. Reduced shippings costs would directly go into the European economy.
I would like there to be more unions, otherwise large companies even in Europe are too powerful and too dehumanizing. If you don't talk about this, it will only get worse.
Buying hand-made clothes from individual artisans is actually cheaper in Europe than well-known brands, but it sadly requires more research and time for searching.
You blamed workers not asking for raises for their pay being low. That's privilege in a nutshell.
I am sure when you go to work and don't get a raise for 10 years, you would think twice of the importance of worker unions in large companies.
It's just, if you talk about finances driving your decisions, you must talk about fair wages and the current state of things. Otherwise you're ignoring the full picture.
I blame large companies much more than I blame people not doing unions, but unions is the only possibility for people to fight back long-term abuse for a job they either perceive as acceptable, or not changeable (for whatever reason).
Your words:
You said nothing about unions at all.
And people shouldn't have to join a union or ask to get paid fairly. Again, a privileged idea that takes corporations off the hook.
People definitely should ask to be paid fairly. What is the point otherwise? To roll over and get fucked by any company willing to accept your skillset to make them insane amounts of money?
What the fuck.
Wow. You're still making it their job to ask and not up to the company to pay the fair wage and you don't even realize how pro-corporate that is.
What the fuck. I keep saying I hate large companies, and they are literally abusing people by not raise peoples' wages over 10 year time-frames.
I would be fine joining a petition forcing companies to at least go inline with inflation with their wages, but you did not propose it, you are just trying to be angry at something I didn't say.
The imagination that prices would skyrocket is naive, I think. Yes, there could be a period of high prices, and people would buy less, and more focused on what we need (in the specific case of extreme import cut-off), but the import tax is already around 20%, if it was manufactured in Europe, that is already going directly into the profit margins.
There is plenty of institutional knowledge about ICE available in Europe, albeit at a premium price, because people buy more than repair old, out of only financial concerns (and money going somewhere else and not into peoples' hands). All of it seems a little bit simpler (even though made incredibly difficult due to companies' approach to reliability, repair, and marketing of "this is incredibly complex, don't touch") after you have a engineering or STEM degree of some sort.
People also do this all the time for one-off, functional prototype/exhibition items. Of course it's expensive to manufacture one due to the handmade nature and research time, but once you make one, you can refine the process, and/or build the mass-manufacture molds.