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Luigi Mangione shouts a message to the American people on his way to court:

“This is completely unjust and an insult to the intelligence of the American people and their lived experience.”

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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If they kill him they'll have begun another American Revolution, this one freeing Americans from the evil capitalist scum.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Did you forget that an evil capitalist scum who's only claim to fame is that he's rich just won both the popular and the electoral vote?

I think a lot of you have forgotten who won the election.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lenin's coup needed 40k people. The Russian Republic had a population of 161 million people.

On a happier note, a single university protest against Stalin's imperialism spiralled into events that briefly established an independent democratic socialist Hungary free from Soviet-Russian domination.

The question, if it gets to societal collapse and revolutions, is not "how many people can Trump get to vote for him", but "what military strength can he get to Washington on short notice". And it doesn't matter "who has the guns". It's the US. Everyone can get guns at a moment's notice.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Are you really comparing the conditions Americans are living under to the feudalist absolute monarchy under the Czar?

People in living memory were serfs at the time.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Lenin didn't coup the Tsars, he couped the fledgling Russian Republic. The Tsar has been in prison for more than six months by then.

Nevertheless, the point still stands, a small amount of people can successfully overturn a government. If you need a more recent example, Jan 6th almost succeeded. Imagine if they were just as organized as Lenin's people.

Not saying it would be a good thing.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Jan 6th almost succeeded.

That is utter nonsense. January 6th disrupted something that was essentially ceremonial.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

All of our institutions are ceremonial. If everything went to plan there, and they only did not due to sheer incompetence, they would have blown up the capitol building and would have massacred congress people.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Where on Earth did you hear the plan was to blow up the Capitol Building?

First of all, do you know how many explosives that would take?

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's common knowledge at this point that explosives were planted, here is the wiki link for the sources. Of course, the point was not the demolition of the building complex, but the staging of an attack.

In 1933, one chamber of the Reichstag was set on fire, which ended in the mass arrests of communist opposition members, and the solidifying of Hitler's power in Germany.

Is it a stretch that bombs planted at the RNC building of all places would have served a similarly good excuse to arrest Trump's political enemies? Just replace the communists with "antifa".

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, I know a handful of pipe bombs were found. You could not possibly destroy a giant stone building with them.

Have you ever even been to the Capitol building?

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, but can you reread my comment past the first sentence? I'm saying they were not there to destroy the whole place wholesale, they were there, so the bomb attack could be spun into whatever they wanted afterwards.

Like the Reichstag fire that did not actually burn the whole Reichstag either, just one room.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I reread this comment. Did you make it? It looks like your username.

It's not my fault you decided to move the goalposts from "blow up the building" to "Reichstag fire."

Neither of which would have stopped Biden from being president, incidentally.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

Are we arguing degrees of destruction, or whether Jan 6th was dangerous at all? Why are we arguing in the first place?

All I'm saying is that it could have been much, much worse, and the last semblances of American democracy was on the line, is still on the line.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Many revolutions and massive nation changes have happened so quickly that many never saw them coming. The Berlin wall coming down, the Duvalier's and Assad's reigns ending are three in relatively recent memory.

The thing is that the rich and powerful often miss the signs, if for no other reason than they fundamentally believe they are untouchable ... because they are, until they aren't.

What I find amazing is that the rich and powerful continue to be blind to the history of inequality and how many elites are killed, been overthrown and/or have to beg for asylum in foreign nations.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The rich and powerful just won their election by popular vote.

This doesn't change that.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're right, but a revolution seems to be closer than ever before.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Sure. Just like the civil war has been about to happen since 2016.

[–] toast@retrolemmy.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The rich and powerful would also have won if Harris had managed to get elected. You may really care which party wins, but I doubt most of our oligarchs do.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh yes, things will be totally the same without Lena Khan being in the U.S. government. You're so, so right.

[–] toast@retrolemmy.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh, things will be different for us. The rich, however, will be just fine. They'll still gatekeep who can run for president. They'll still actively co-write legislation. They'll still ~~buy~~ lobby legislators and cozy up with regulators. We're living in a second guilded age. We didn't just vote our way out of the last one

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lena Khan has literally been fighting and even stopping those sort of things.

[–] toast@retrolemmy.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

OK, let's just say she's a hero. I'll say it for you. Lena Khan is a hero everyone!

With that out of the way, look at the last, say, five decades. Look at income disparity over that time period. Look at wages. Look at the health of labor unions. Look at how much more money political campaigns cost now. This has all been happening under Republican and Democratic administrations. Both parties have been moving to the economic right.

You can find heroes like Khan throughout this time period. Point them out if you like. Just don't ignore the fact that these trends continued despite their best efforts.

I just think you need to recognize that sometimes civic engagement requires more than just a vote

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I do realize that, which is why I have been working with Jewish Voice for Peace since the war started, trying to pressure U.S. politicians.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Did Lee Harvey Oswald have kids?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes. Two. It would have taken you seconds to find that out.

Is there a point to your question?

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Okay? Were you calling for more assassinations?

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A weird thing to ask somebody online to be honest

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What is weird about it? Is this another case of you putting words in my mouth? You do that a lot.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seems like you're trying to bait them so you can ban them tbh.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And how would I ban them exactly?

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

By being a lil snitch and reporting their comment and crying to mods.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I'm pretty sure you can't snitch on someone's public comments on a public website. Because, you know, they're not secret.