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Hey guys. Im running Home Assistant in docker container for few years and I'm super happy with it. The only way I access my server when not home is wireguard VPN. I noticed that I'm still receiving notifications even when not connected to VPN. I wonder how is that possible?

I don't have sub for HA Cloud or Nabu Casa. I also don't own a domain, using duckdns for wireguard connection and reverse proxy (npm). I thought I have 100% local setup, but I guess there is a Google or HA server in between. I don't want to disable the feature, I just want to know where is my data being sent

Thx

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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My friend, did you read what the article you linked says? That isn’t storing the data, that’s capturing the data and relaying it, as directed by court order.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

My guy, how is it you think they are capturing and relaying data that they haven't stored?

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Capture and relay have nothing to do with storage. You can absolutely add storage, but it is in no way a necessary step.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand. How do you provide someone else with information you don't have?

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

Let’s say notifications are like walkie-talkies. You push a button, it sends an alert or your voice to the paired device. Neither one is storing the information, they are just relaying to each other. Now, in this case the government has issued a court order stating that a third party be given a walkie-talkie with the ability to understand the information transmitted by the first. There is still no storage being done, but a second party now receives all the information being broadcast.

It’s not about not having the information. You don’t actually need to store it anywhere to facilitate communication, at least beyond it being in memory which most would agree doesn’t constitute storage in this situation.

Now, could that third party store the information? Absolutely.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago

I’m guessing you aren’t a programmer or network engineer, because a relay does not necessitate storing anything. Your router does not “store” your webpages when you go to a page on the internet. Something like mulvad vpn doesn’t store anything when using it.