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How do I get phone notifications from my server while I'm not connected to my home network? (lemm.ee)

submitted 2 months ago by rambos@lemm.ee to c/homeassistant@lemmy.world

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Hey guys. Im running Home Assistant in docker container for few years and I'm super happy with it. The only way I access my server when not home is wireguard VPN. I noticed that I'm still receiving notifications even when not connected to VPN. I wonder how is that possible?

I don't have sub for HA Cloud or Nabu Casa. I also don't own a domain, using duckdns for wireguard connection and reverse proxy (npm). I thought I have 100% local setup, but I guess there is a Google or HA server in between. I don't want to disable the feature, I just want to know where is my data being sent

Thx

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[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

They don't store the notification they just relay it.

Yes they do

E: additional context

The data these two companies receive includes metadata, detailing which app received a notification and when, as well as the phone and associated Apple or Google account to which that notification was intended to be delivered. In certain instances, they also might also receive unencrypted content, which could range from backend directives for the app to the actual text displayed to a user in an app notification.

[–] dan@upvote.au 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I don't see anything in that article that says that Google store the contents of the notification. It just says that they link push tokens to emails, which is true - they have to know who to send the push notification to.

In any case, if you don't want Home Assistant notifications being relayed through Google, you can use a persistent connection so that the app connects directly to your Home Assistant server.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 2 months ago

I don't see anything in that article that says that Google store the contents of the notification

Not sure how you think they hand over information they don't have?

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My friend, did you read what the article you linked says? That isn’t storing the data, that’s capturing the data and relaying it, as directed by court order.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

My guy, how is it you think they are capturing and relaying data that they haven't stored?

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Capture and relay have nothing to do with storage. You can absolutely add storage, but it is in no way a necessary step.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand. How do you provide someone else with information you don't have?

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

Let’s say notifications are like walkie-talkies. You push a button, it sends an alert or your voice to the paired device. Neither one is storing the information, they are just relaying to each other. Now, in this case the government has issued a court order stating that a third party be given a walkie-talkie with the ability to understand the information transmitted by the first. There is still no storage being done, but a second party now receives all the information being broadcast.

It’s not about not having the information. You don’t actually need to store it anywhere to facilitate communication, at least beyond it being in memory which most would agree doesn’t constitute storage in this situation.

Now, could that third party store the information? Absolutely.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago

I’m guessing you aren’t a programmer or network engineer, because a relay does not necessitate storing anything. Your router does not “store” your webpages when you go to a page on the internet. Something like mulvad vpn doesn’t store anything when using it.