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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 55 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

When you think about the Cristian lore... It is a pile of insane bullsh..t

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 53 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

you can say bullshit.

for fucks sake.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Adults are also allowed to choose not to. It's cool.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

You can’t say fucks sake it’s bullshit.

[–] Kernal64@sh.itjust.works 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Indeed! Also, this is the internet. You're allowed to say bullshit.

[–] vrek@programming.dev 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No! That's $10 fine! Send me a private message and I'll give you the address to send the iTunes gift card serial number to pay the fine(yes internet fines are only payable in iTunes gift cards)

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's basically a zombie death cult. This powerful necromancer has to die to become a lich, releasing his soul into a phylactery which happens to be the souls of his believers (and making it really hard to destroy his phylactery). Then his believers are promised that they will come back as undead, as a reward for carrying a part of this "holy ghost" phylactery. What a racket.

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

This should be on Wikipedia as description of Christianity

[–] lime@feddit.nu 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

i mean it's mostly all metaphor and allegory, meant to teach you lessons rather than to act as a historical document.

it's like a book of fables for people who think animals are silly

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The four gospels read as eyewitness accounts and reports of a real person, not as fables and allegories.

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

"read as" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Most scholars say they were written well after the fact (decades to generations after), after a bunch of oral tradition related changes crept in. Plus, they were sort of down selected from a much larger corpus.

So this is just a narrative technique rather than an actual eyewitness account.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 7 points 3 weeks ago

By "well after the fact", it's still within the lifetime of eyewitnesses. Contrasted with other historical records, it's pretty good. Like Alexander the Great being written about 800 years after the fact, or some details about Julius Caesar being written down 200 years after the fact which nobody disputes. For something we can archaeologically prove which also happened at the time - the pompeii disaster - there is one record 30 years later. Despite it being an event witnessed by hundreds of thousands and likely having influential romans among it's victims. You're really overestimating the frequency of writings and documentation from the first century. In which the New Testament is abnormal in that it has a high frequency. So something that clearly was a big deal did happen. The traditions as well carried across societies, so must have been rooted in fact. As for the larger corpus - those were the centuries later forgeries that were removed for that reason - because they were much later and not seen as reliable. Some of them were attributed to more important figures also, like Thomas. So the early Church clearly cared about accuracy.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Most scholars say they were written well after the fact (decades to generations after), after a bunch of oral tradition related changes crept in

Almost like it's all a bunch of bullshit invented to control the masses 🤔

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

meant to teach you lessons

The foremost lesson being "obey authority figures or else"

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

"Treat women and children like property. Always blame victims. Take slaves from neighboring countries, never your own."

Lots of great lessons in that holiest of books.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

personally i am a fan of "keep your religion to yourself", "don't use the veil of the church as a means to make money", "help those that others cast out, like sex workers", "don't engage in stereotype", and "rich people go to hell".

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah. Funny how the most influential Christians all tend to forget those 🤔

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

Second is "don't question them"

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But only mostly!

Catholicism truly believes you are eating Jesus's body and drinking his blood at mass.

But it's not cannibalism because the bread and wine still keep all their properties after turning into Jesus 🤓

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/are-catholics-cannibals

[–] datendefekt 2 points 2 weeks ago

It's this kind of mental gymnastics that killed church for me. Jesus had a pretty decent moral framework set up, but people mangled into a bunch of hocus pocus.

[–] datendefekt 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A part of my family is extremely religious, and borderline fundamentalist. After a while I've been able accept the fact that some people want to know how the world works, and some want to believe.

I know that my death won't be much different than if our dog dies. My consciousness will cease to exist, and I'll either get burnt or decompose. Many people are filled with existential dread and look to religion to comfort them. And that's cool for them.

And then their things beyond your understanding, that you fill with little stories. Sickness isn't something that can be prevented by a shot, it's a punishment. Not getting kids? A punishment. Pork? Haram because Allah said so, not because refrigeration didn't exist. Whatever makes you happy!

The problem I got is that these people are easily lied to and manipulated by authority. The religious right are so easily played by Trump it's embarrassing as a human being.

[–] dullbananas@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

I wish more of them would live like this: "Pray as though everything depended on God. Work as though everything depended on you." - Saint Augustine