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Wow, didn't realize how anti-nuclear Lemmy is after looking at this comment thread.
Common on contrarian and alternative platform as this particular topic has been seeded by russia psyops against russian oil alternative.
This is why germany shut down all its reactors and went back to burning lignite coal when nordstream was blown up by a ln Ukrainian triggerman.
Germany's exit from nuclear power was decided way back in the early 2010s. When the pipeline was destroyed the last three remaining plants were overdue for maintenance, didn't have any more fuel and also no one to run the plant for significantly longer. They extended the shutdown until spring and that was it. Stop spreading the lie, that this was some kind of rushed decision or that it could have been prolonged much further.
Building new ones isnt economical and also wouldn't produce any electricity until the late 2030s
If the exit was a mistake 15 years ago can be debated, but the discussion is worthless now, no matter how often this gets pushed by the party that fucked up the buildup of renewable alternatives in the 16 years they were in power
We didn't this is misinformation spread in USA. Yes we shut down nuclear plants (but the laws fasing out nuclear were made over a decade ago because we still haven't found a solution for the waste, this was all looong before nordstream) and our investments in renewable are behind, but none is planning on going back to coal (except some crazy right wing fascists who are not in political power)
For the most part we are investing in gas heavily at the moment, which is fucking stupid in our climate situation, but the fracking gas from the USA with very competitive prices and lot of political hegemony from USA drive the government to do it anyway.
Coal is already reactivated
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-approves-bringing-coal-fired-power-plants-back-online-this-winter-2023-10-04/
https://thebreakthrough.org/journal/no-18-fall-2022/the-source-of-germanys-nuclear-aversion
https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/1911e5n/was_the_denuclearisation_of_germanys_power_grid_a/
https://theconversation.com/why-germany-ditched-nuclear-before-coal-and-why-it-wont-go-back-228212
https://www.base.bund.de/EN/ns/nuclear-phase-out/nuclear-phase-out_node.html
Not sure how good these sources are but russia bankrolling anti nuclear sentinent is something I often heard said.
I read the Reuters article and it backs up my point...
Reactivating a coal power plant which was kept in hold because of gas shortage... Has nothing to do with nuclear...
As I said: we ditched nuclear decades ago, were going with renevables, then conservatives slowed renewables aimed for gas and a a Slower transition out of fossils, thats why we still don't have enough renewable and need to still rely on coal. But we don't build new coal plants and no sane person thinks we are going back.
Edit: https://strom-report.com/img/strommix-entwicklung-deutschland-10-jahre.webp
Here is energy production over time, you can clearly see we are phasing out fossils an nuclear in favor gas of renewables
The russian backed anti nuclear operation was from the 2000s
Sure sure, if all your arguments fail blame the russians. You are from the states hm?
Not to say Russia isn't lobbying for gas and oil, just funny that that's the reaction on critic on a technology: you must be influenced by Russian propaganda!
Didn't think people smart enough to use Lemmy would fall for american nuclear lobbying.
Guys come on you can't really think nuclear is better then renewables and everyone who thinks differently is having an agenda.
If something like this ends up in my feed I wanna talk to the people and see how they ended up with such "interesting" positions, that's all.
(For what I can tell most are Americans and influenced by local consent manufacturing)
I wouldn't say nuclear is better than renewables. I would say it's a good at providing base load as we transition from fossil fuels over to renewables. That's all.
Ah yes, the great and powerful American nuclear lobby... That hasn't sold a new reactor in 30 years.
Most people support nuclear because it's the best base load generation method, and that can't be replaced by renewables.
You're literally less than a degree of separation from the "nuclear is a Chinese psyop" people.
Plutonium in nuclear waste has a half lifetime of 24 000 years
The first structure which is counted as begin of civilization is was like 11 000 years ago.
Advocating against them is not automatically russion propaganda bro.
Being weary of companies who assure the public this will all be taken care of, just let them profit now is basic human sense.
(And don't come at me again with how bad fossils are, I advocate for stopping to use them to, it was just not the topic of the meme)
You trying to put me in a drawer with conspiracy theorists is saying more about you then about me