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Is it possible to have a "free speech" platform that simultaneously stops "hate speech"?
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this post was submitted on 27 Nov 2024
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Completely and utterly false.
Every single western country outside of America has hate speech laws without issue.
A) they are not that open ended and subjective
B) the idea that laws can't be open ended, subjective, or governed through intent and spirit of the law, is only the case in the dumbass American legal system that has been intentionally ruined by simple minded Republicans, which insist on every edge case being explicitly covered by a law or legislation because they know that makes it impossible to effectively write laws or govern.
So does the US. Just not for ordinary people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threatening_government_officials_of_the_United_States
Those would not be considered hate speech laws in other countries, just normal no-uttering-threats laws. Hate Speech laws typically protect against inciting hatred or violence against an identifiable group, actually uttering threats is typically a different broader law.
You get crazy things in other countries though, like truth not being a defense for libel\slander.
In which countries is that the case?
UK is the notable one.
The UK is the weird outlier but there is still a defense of truth in the UK. The difference is that the person accusing you of defamation doesn't have to prove that you're wrong and you do have to prove that you're right.
Love the timing making it so easy to disprove your argument. Just look at the flood of European countries abusing broad and ambiguous hate speech laws to crush dissent and crack down on criticism of Israel.
You're talking about the one instance of Germany ruling that a single controversial slogan was hate speech?
LoL. One instance?!
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-new-laws-police-palestine-protests-would-damage-free-speech-watchdog-warns
https://theintercept.com/2017/08/29/in-europe-hate-speech-laws-are-often-used-to-suppress-and-punish-left-wing-viewpoints/
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/eu-pledges-help-israel-suppress-criticism
https://truthout.org/articles/jewish-anti-zionist-activist-describes-his-arrest-under-uks-anti-terror-law/
https://www.newarab.com/news/uk-israeli-academic-arrested-after-speech-gaza-protest
These are mostly incidents of people publicly expressing support for Hamas, and being arrested for expressing support for a designated terrorist organization, and pretty much all confined to the UK, which has some of the weakest individual protections in the EU / western world.
They also don't have Nazi parades down their streets in 2024.
Ahh. You’re a hasbara bot.
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-far-right-britain-lawyer-keir-starmer-violence-liverpool-muslims-cardiff/
Ah, you're so terminally online that you brand anyone who mildly disagrees with you a 'bot'.
Tho fair point about the EDL.
No, not at all.