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[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 75 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yup. They had a hook with Walz and the 'weird' talking points. That seemed to really resonate with the Republicans and made them go out of their way to highlight out weird they were.

Then they pivoted to try and win Republicans. And... they died.

'Weird' probably wouldn't have won them the election or anything, but it was working. It could have been paired with good, short talking points about helping people, and Walz is a good enough, and genuine enough (or at least appears to be so) guy to really sell those talking points in a way that didn't feel pandering or cynical.

But they really wanted that right-wing vote. It's like right-wingers telling the Democrats that they'll never vote for them just makes the Dems want to win them over that much more.

It's wild.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (2 children)

She could have said "medicare for all" once, instead of turning her back on the progressive left and she would have won.

She could have said, "Gazan's are human beings, and its important that all US allies receiving aid are in compliance with the Leahy law.." instead of turning her back on the anti-war left and Muslims and Arabs, and she would have won.

She could have said "The efforts of 4 years of recovering from the pandemic were hard, but clearly we need to do better for US taxpayers who are still feeling economic hardship", instead of spitting in the face of Americans by telling us the economy is great, when those Americans are having to put groceries back on the shelves because they simply can't afford them.

The campaign was a disaster. Harris was a turd in a punch bowl of a candidate and with even some basic, basic strategy she could have steered through the wickets. It was actually an easy election to win. At the turn of the tide Trump was almost as unpopular as Biden. She blew it at every possible turn.

Lessons learned for the electorate: STOP FUCKING LISTENING TO MSNBC, CNN, NPR, ALL OF THEM!

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But... but... but... Have you seen the stock market? The line's going up! Economy's fine!!1!

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And now with Trump back in there, it will become the only metric once again.

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think you are touching on some real issues, BUT the Harris campaign never said that the economy was doing great. They very deliberately avoided that message (though Biden was very different).

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They very deliberately avoided that message (though Biden was very different).

So did they repudiate Biden when he did that? If not, that's tantamount to agreeing with him.

And the voters knew it.

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s partly the way that non-Trump campaigns are run. They hire a ton of pollsters/consultants that do focus groups to find out voters points of view. They never consider the scenario in which a good candidate can change the worldview of the voters. So it sounds like the candidate never had an original thought in the world, when voters actually want a leader.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah I think that we have been subjected to such abnormal politics for so many years now, that people either forget, or weren't alive to remember, that none of this is normal, and campaigns used to be very different.