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Swedish authorities say they have detected a Chinese ship moving near two telecoms cables that failed within hours of each other on the Baltic Sea bed in recent days.

Prosecutors in Stockholm have launched a preliminary investigation into suspected sabotage, hours after Germany dubbed the cable failure part of a “hybrid operation”.

On Sunday morning at about 10am, Swedish authorities registered problems with a data cable under the Baltic Sea from the Öland island to Lithuania. At 4am on Monday, telecoms operators in Finland and Germany reported problems with another cable called C-Lion-1.

Both cables were damaged in the Swedish economic zone, prompting prosecutors in Stockholm to take the investigation lead.

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[–] 0x815 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

My point is there’s a social component to defederating that’s likely a bit bigger than just shutting out Russia/China enjoyers.

I have to disagree. It's not just this community's "West bad, Russia/China bad okay" hypocrisy and the fact that they convey their narrative and their narrative only (everything else gets immediately blocked, while they accuse others literally of 'double standards'). One of my main points is that they support Russia's war in Ukraine, which is a genocide. It's the only community that openly supports an attempted genocide.

[Edit typo.]

[–] federalreverse 1 points 58 minutes ago

That's a response to an argument I was not making. I share your non-enthusiasm about .ml.

I was talking about the social cost of locking out the creators of Lemmy. It's reasonable to argue that that social cost is worth bearing. But it's imo unreasonable to pretend it doesn't exist.

However, I would caution that:

  • .ml is the standard instance that many people start out at, because that's the site promoted from Lemmy's GitHub and from join-lemmy:org. There are reasonable people caught among the unreasonable ones.
  • I'd object to it being the "only community that supports an attempted genocide" [emphasis mine], for two reasons:
    • The Grad and Bear instances also exist and are more consistently pro-Russian. They are already defederated from e.g. feddit.org, precisely because there is no social cost associated with defederating them.
    • I find it hard to accept this stance of absolute moral superiority. What the Russian government inflicts on Ukraine is atrocious but not entirely unparalleled.