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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] tmyakal@lemm.ee 42 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Skipping a fare should not be punishable by death, I don't care how wealthy the skipper is.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

But what if billionare skips?

[–] auzy@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

That's not what happened here most likely. No references, no context

Chances are someone got aggressive or violent whilst being arrested due to ticket theft

There's a reason there is no real info here

Nobody is going to go and shoot someone because they see them jump over a barrier. Something else happened

[–] tmyakal@lemm.ee 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Assuming you are correct, being aggressive or violent whilst being arrested for a $3 crime should be punishable by death?

[–] auzy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wtf?

So it's OK to be violent if you're a petty criminal, as long as you're being arrested? So, you can't arrest people anymore?

You guys aren't even trying to make sense...

The poster doesn't even have any references. But, I'm fairly sure nobody is shooting anyone because they don't have a ticket. Unless you have actual references, I'm calling BS. The people got shot for another reason. They may have been getting arrested at the time, but that doesn't give them sovereignty over normal laws.

The reason this poster has no references, is because it is likely BS, and knows people like yourself will fall for it.

There is obviously much more to this story, if it is true at all.

I think I know how Trump won now lol

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

The people got shot for another reason.

So I'll fill you in since you're obviously out of the loop. The 4 people were shot in one incident. One guy skipped a fare, then refused to stop for police. He tried to get away. He had a knife. Cops tried to tase him, that didn't work. Cops got scared. Guy tried to run away, cops shot him, two bystanders, and one of the cops.

Yes, they're leaving out details to point out how ridiculous it is- but it is ridiculous. At no point was the guy enough of a threat to anyone to escalate to deadly force. They're transit cops, they have radios- they don't have to let him go, just take a second to tell the train crew to not leave the station, then wait him out.