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[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

My miss was somewhat intentional, as I felt you both had some validity to your arguments, and I had wanted to acknowledge you both without looking like I was here to take one side or another, more to try to touch on the similarities you both had to your positions.

Then your comment was just bad at conveying that. Maybe next time try and point out what arguments you find valid and why.

I'd rather the US improve Chinese relations

I don't want any democracy under the rule of law legitimize authoritarian and injust regimes by trading them. I don't want to see metaphorical walls either, I'm German and we do have a history with walls (metaphorical and literal ones) after all. But I want to see governments being consequential in fighting for democracy and justice globally. We attempted ”Let's just trade and exchange knowledge and they'll see how much better our system is“ twice before with both Russia and China. How did it work out so far?

I'm sure at least to an extent, you'd like your country to be able to count on the US more than you can right now.

No. I don't want to depend on anyone anymore. I want equal partnerships instead of this weird corporate colonialism.

If we succeed in securing domestic production for our respective countries, I still feel we're losing something important,

And what would that be? What exactly would we lose?

I know some are tired of hearing opinions from Americans even if we don't support what our pending government wants to do,

I don't care where you're from. Neither do I care about labels. I care about arguments, positions, ideas and proposals. Specific, tangible things that can be discussed.

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I guess I'm at a loss for how to discuss a charged topic here right now. Since the election, I seem to get a harsh reception no matter my approach. I've had people get just as frustrated at me for doing what you say I should do. I don't feel it's very productive getting annoyed at someone trying to talk, as it is kinda the purpose of social media, but everyone can do what they feel the need to do.

[–] bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You want our governments to fight for democracy and justice globally? Wtf? And you are accusing the other guy of being an idealist.

This is just such a misled, outdated view of the world. Your kind of thinking will lead to economic as well as idealistic warfare in the long run.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

We are already under attack. Economically, ideologically and electronically. It's time to defend ourselves.

[–] bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fighting for democracy and justice globally doesn’t sound like a defensive strategy.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

Human rights are human rights no matter where you live. Ergo they need to be defended no matter where. Otherwise they'd be civil rights or "every person's rights who happens to be in the right place."