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[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If we go by the text, only "americans" have that right. Now, the important question is "what is an american"? What characterizes a "non-american" according to the founding fathers?

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

White male wealthy supremacists?

[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I don't doubt that is how the current supreme court would interpret it. This approach of asking "how the founding fathers would think" results in exclusion of non-white citizens. On the other hand, lack of atandardized identification documents in the USA result in this mess.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

Also the definition of what the founding fathers had of white was extremely different. It was only people from Britain that were white. The English, Scottish, and Welsh. No one else. Not the Germans, Irish, or Swedes even.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are you under the impression that the founding fathers weren't slave holders themselves?

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Dammit! Foiled by racists once again!

........you'd think I'd put /s, but no.

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The bill of rights applies to anyone standing on American soil regardless of if they are a citizen, a legal resident, a refugee, or even here “illegally”.

They have the right to bear arms (per their states laws), they have the right to freedom of speech, assembly and religion, they have the right to due process and protection from unreasonable search and seizure. The constitution doesn’t distinguish citizens from non citizens when it comes to their rights.

A lot of what trump says he’s gonna do isn’t possible unless the constitution gets suspended. Which is unlikely but not impossible.