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The craziest thing of our time is that right-wing bigots claim to end the war fast with peace talks, while so-called “progressives” are going to prolong their proxy war as long as there is at least one Ukrainian still alive.
"claim" is the key word in that sentence.
You're 100% correct here. My observation is based solely on Trump's rhetoric and i also have heavy doubts that he will stop the war and bring peace to war-torn area. Anyway, if he really tries and succeeds, it would be twice more embarrassing for his predecessors, as it would mean that they could have done the same, but instead preferred to have tens of thousands Ukrainians killed and dozens of Ukrainian cities razed to the ground.
Thats how i read it too, no worries.
I'd be shocked but who the hell knows at this point
End the war fast by giving up land, and the people on that land. If you know anything about history Ukrainians under Russian rule is a completely unacceptable outcome to anyone but complete psychopaths.
The peace proposal is for largely Russian speaking/ethnic regions of former Ukraine to stay Russian after their recent liberation.
Spoken like someone who clearly has zero knowledge of actual history. Especially considering a large part of the reason why the coup government in Ukraine began their campaign of ethnically cleansing the eastern population of their own country was because the people living there more strongly identified with Russia, wanted to be able to keep speaking Russian without persecution, and eventually pleaded with Russia to intervene on their behalf, which Russia fortunately did. But anyone who actually understands the history of the region is a "psychopath." lol
Can you explain which part is "Russian Propaganda?" The Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics are factually breakaway regions, which is the part you disagree with as "Propaganda?"
There was plenty of organic separatism in much of Eastern Ukraine after Maidan. The support they received from Russia doesn't invalidate that fact.
Widespread support? Is The Washington Post Russian Propaganda? You keep digging further and further denying reality. Yes, of course Russia was going to support the pro-Russian breakaway regions, that can only benefit them, that doesn't mean the breakaway regions weren't pro-Russian since even before Russia's direct involvement.
Go ahead, keep accusing outlets like the Washington Post as Russian Propaganda and continue denying material reality.
this is the first time I hear this story. the previous story was "cleaning out nazis" or something like that. it seems goalposts have grown wheels
Nope, this was reality (not "the story") all along. Considering that it's known nazis who were running the ethnic cleansing campaign, it's pretty clear that you can't have one "goalpost" without the other. The fact that this is the first time you've heard this and think it's moving of goalposts really speaks to your utter ignorance on the topic. But I realize most westerners are completely ignorant on the topic sadly, seeing as the "pUtiN BIG MEANIE RuZzIa is EBIL dictatorship! Poor smol bean Ukraine!" narrative is the only thing that's allowed through the propaganda filter there.
this is not "learning some second thing", but learning that the deal was altered
it was an attempt to refer to the phrase "I've altered the deal, pray I don't alter it further"
https://i0.wp.com/geopoliticaleconomy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Ukraine-borders-historical-map-expansion.jpg?resize=880%2C592&ssl=1
Edit: did you downvote before you confirmed the image is historically accurate or after you confirmed the image is historically accurate?