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[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The EU treaties actually do have a military component much like NATO, and the "ever closer union" is actually making it a reality, with Western and Northern European militaries actually merging into blocks.

Actually the EU is a closer alliance, as NATO intervention allows for both the attacked party to not ask for aid, and the countries aiding to give as much aid as they deem necessary. The EU mutual defence clause gets triggered immediately on aggression, and requires assistance by member states with all the means in their power.

The US could technically drip-feed aid like with Ukraine, while Germany would have to send in the Bundeswehr immediately if Poland got attacked.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The have a mutual defence clause, yeah.

But EU is not specifically a military alliance, unlike NATO.

and requires assistance by member states with all the means in their power.

That clause doesn't specify military assistance. It does mean it, but it's not exclusive to it and leaves it up to the country to decide what is in their power.

The point is that EU is first and foremost an economical alliance, and Putin has no excuses for his crimes.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The common security and defence policy shall be an integral part of the common foreign and security policy. It shall provide the Union with an operational capacity drawing on civilian and military assets.

This is how the clause starts.

It is explicitly a military alliance. That said, Ukraine is a sovereign state, and they are the sole authorities on what military alliance they want to join, Russia has no seat in the Ukrainian parliament. Of course, Putin has no excuses.

I'm just being a dick about this because it's actually an Eurosceptic Russia-friendly narrative that the EU is nothing but a trade deal, and has no bearing on common foreign policy, common defence policy, or the creation of a common geopolitical proxy. It is. The end goal explicitly is that - while inside the EU, member states may have their own politics - from the outside of the EU, it is one country, one partner.

So when Trump or Xi or Putin come over to talk, their counterpart is representing 420 million people and an economic capacity rivalling that of the US, and member states can't be played against each other. I know realistically we are not quite there, but Trump really hated to talk to the EU instead of individual member states. There was a reason for that.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It is explicitly a military alliance

No it isn't.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union

##The European Union (EU) is a supranational political and economic union