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Right? I wonder if this involves living in a van, down by the river.
Depends what you want out of life.
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I want a huge house, a car, a tree and the ability to feed my family.
Do your thing, dude. Our modest lifestyle doesn't infringe on your "huge house" aspirations.
Teaching yourself horticulture, buying a plot of land, renting the equipment to clear your living space and dig to install a septic tank, and either building or buying a tiny home, is less complicated and expensive than it sounds and the returns are for life, and your descendents'.
Most people think it's too hard to do, but this life is less difficult for me than modern city/suburb life. It's more natural to what the human experience is supposed to be. Free of slavery/perpetual debt. And I used to work 12hr days of hard labour, yet still paycheck to paycheck, never advancing in life, deeply miserable.
Hunting, fishing, trapping, and foraging are easily taught invaluable skills that should be first-hand knowledge.
It really all depends on what a person truly wants out of their life.
Edit: bonus, you can always sell your goods at markets for extra cash if you need it.
I don't think you can even buy a tiny home for $50k these days, let alone a big enough plot of land to support all of these activities, and also pay for the equipment to get the land ready.
You can buy pre-fab tiny homes here for 15-20k these days. There's so many companies doing it now you can find affordable models that fit your needs.
Cool, got those numbers? Plus I want time investment required as well. You talk big, son.
"Lower your standards", got it.
With respect, I'm not going to argue with someone who doesn't want that life, but the numbers are leagues higher to live depending on purchasing everything, especially superficial purchases, and most people can't even afford a home within that system anymore, so they are forced to find other means of survival at this point.
You do you, so long as you're happy!
I must add that focusing your energy towards working for yourself is infinitely rewarding. All that time spent is time I enjoy.
You aren't going to argue because 50k isn't remotely close to achieving what you are talking about and you know it.
5-10 acres for 10k, tiny home budget 20k, about 5 grand to rent clearing equipment. But hey, I'm sure you've done extensive research and know 50k is more than comfortable already.
You can do this flat broke and pop a tent wherever you want on crown land for free. Some people are just trying to survive while others can afford extra comforts.
All you have to do is have enough cash to not work while you learn to do all that labor including building codes designed to keep you from killing yourself. Every time I hear somebody advocate for off grid or tiny living, it sounds like a total grift based off the American fantasy of self sufficiency.
Every time I hear someone advocating against self-sufficiency and dependency on a fascist system, the alarm bells go off.
It seems alien to most because we are indoctrinated to fear individualism and anything that deviates from the status quo, and take "comfort" in the deeply corrupt system we are all forced to participate in.
Like I said in another comment, at this point people are forced to do this purely out of survival, because living within the system is just not possible anymore. It's much easier to understand and empathize if you've experienced poverty and discrimination.
That's why I also suggested purchasing pre-fab. Hell, you could buy a trailer or even a shipping container, or whatever is within your means.
Change is hard for the average person, and most will resist it.
Are you serious? The US jerks itself off with bootstraps and stories of self made millionaires.
Well, I think I know how seriously to take you.
You mean trust-fund babies who started off with a "small" loan? Stories are just that. I don't know why you think that adds any weight to your point or how it affects mine...
Do your thing, dude. Whatever makes you happy.