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Ahh, gotcha. I see now, I originally thought she was being put straight into solitary from the start. That definitely changes things then.
This is one of those tough stories that really challenges your morals. Part of me wants to take her side, because no woman should be forced into a men's prison, trans or not. But then there's another part of me which feels a bit indifferent to the suffering of a murderer. Part of me thinks "just put her in solitary back in the women's prison", but then another part of me thinks "actually we shouldn't have solitary confinement in any prisons in the first place". It's just an awful situation from every angle.
We live in a society where the law is decided as much by precedent as by policy. Whatever punishment we as a society can be inflicted upon the worst scum of society, will be inflicted upon the innocent. Upon the wrongly convicted, those whose crimes harmed nobody, and those who were right to do what they did. If we don't fight injustices against the deserving, that will be used to justify injustice against the undeserving.
They refused to respect her legal rights in three different ways. We have to believe this is an injustice when it is committed against anyone. There's no ambiguity here.
Motive matters. She killed her abusive parents. It's highly likely she was a victim of society failing her. That doesn't excuse what she did, it just means she's not the same as someone who killed for money or fun.
She was raping another prisoner. That’s why she being moved. There is no consensual sex in prison.
Solitary confinement is needed in some situations. This isn’t one of them. It is overused but should never be used as a punishment. It should be used to keep people safe.
It’s a blurb of an article and I don’t know the backstory to know what the right answer is.
To me it doesn’t matter if she murdered someone or not. The prison system is supposed to be dispassionate about the crime.
The sex was not officially allowed, but there absolutely could be consensual sex in prison. The reason they don’t allow it is because in many (but not all) cases it is coerced.
Lolwut? Inmates can consent with each other. Not everything in prison is a scene from Oz.
It’s in the article. It isn’t allowed.
Being against prison rules does not make it rape.
Non-consensual sex is rape. You can’t consent to sex as an inmate. That said, we don’t know if that’s the reason or not. We will have to wait till further information comes out
Being an inmate doesn’t mean you lose your ability to consent. They could have very well been in a relationship. Just because it was against the prison rules does not mean it was non consensual.
You are the only one calling it rape - there is nothing else implying it was non consensual.
Between guards and inmates. Inmates are on a level playing field and can have consensual sex. Unless of course you're talking about legal technicalities in which case, the suffering is the point.
No inmates cannot have sex in prison with other inmates. It is prohibited.
So the suffering is the point. Got it.
Too much of a power dynamic. It causes to many issues in the facility for the staff and other inmates.
Typically it’s ignored in most cases but when it’s an issue they move inmates to other facilities.
And they couldn't move her to another women's facility? or another unit in the same facility? They had to go straight to men's genpop? I also don't buy that sex among peers causes too many issues. Unless it's criminal, in which case you'd deal with it on that front. Because if that was true we'd have to make sex among peers a crime in normal society too.
I have no clue why they moved her to a male facility. It’s not in the article. Until more comes out on the case, it’s a mystery.
I suspect this is a maximum security and I have no clue how many they have for women in Washington.
In Nevada where my girlfriend worked in the prison system, they only have one for women. They’d move them to another section of the prison if possible or send them out of state.
Overall though they led it slide as long as there were no issues.
Overall they let rape slide? Or is it not rape now?
So we're not aware of any issues, just the ridiculous rule, and cruel transfer. Have I got that right?
No it does not appear that you have it right. The rule isn’t ridiculous at all and we don’t know why the person was transferred. She assumes that is the reason and it’s a fair assumption. Prison isn’t summer camp. It’s there to keep the communities safe by removing bad elements.
Okay so casual sex is banned for everyone then right? We all have to get married and have weekly reports to HR to make sure there's no problems?
Only three states allow conjugal visits.
In most prisons even masturbation is against the rules.
Personally I think that is a bridge to far and they should have a masturbation room.
If you think prisoners should be able to inmate sex and orgies. Write you state leaders as they can change the laws.
The problem is many people don’t care about the incarcerated. I want prisons to keep dangerous people away from society and rehabilitate those who are returning to society. I’m not a fan of prison is punishment since that doesn’t really fix anything
Oh? Orgies? They can't just have normal sex. It has to be orgies?
Lmao
Doing drugs is prohibited. Doing drugs isn't rape.
Drugs have nothing to do with consent.
I agree, something being prohibited has nothing to do with consent.
Well go argue with the law, not sure why you are bothering me with what the news reports
The law doesn't call it non-consensual or rape either. Just says it's not allowed.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/trans-identifying-male-in-women-s-prison-found-having-sex-with-female-inmate-report/ar-BB1kq1cJ
An anonymous Washington DOC employee told National Review that there is “technically” no consensual sex among incarcerated individuals, but that “Washington has been mitigating the sanctions on offenders involved” if both parties claim the intercourse is consensual, resulting in “less trouble” for the offenders.
Rape is non-consenual sex. DOC employee said there is no consensual rape among inmates.
Also:
Technically true, but you're just further showing your misunderstanding of language.
I understand the language just fine. You seem to be ignoring the articles to form your own inaccurate opinion. Mine is fact and is yours is opinion.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/washington-moves-trans-woman-to-mens-prison_n_667ef30ee4b0d079dd459357/amp
In a follow-up email, Wright said he should not have used the word “consensual,” “since there technically is no such thing
If the government declared two men could not consent to having sex with each other would you call gay men rapists? Or would you say that's not how those words work?
Maybe you struggle with laws but that’s how laws work. If someone says it’s ok to kill them and you do. It’s still murder. Have a good day.
I agree. Just because the law says something is ethical (like murdering gay people) that doesn't mean it's actually ethical.
Similarly, just because the law says something is unethical (like two prisoners consenting to having sex) that does not make them rapists.