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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 77 points 1 month ago (6 children)

A country that truly believes in freedom and democracy shouldn't require you to take a loyalty oath every day.

[–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This whole thing is such a mind fuck and crazy process for people outside merica. I really thought it was a joke on movies, but realising that they are really all brainwashed since children like this makes a lot more sense when you consider everything.

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Conservatives here in the UK wanted to enforce something similar, but in the form of a patriotic song. Everybody just laughed. That would never fly here!

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And it's spreading. Denmark is pushing laws to restrict using other flags. It might be a dog whistle for anti-palestine but still. Rubs me the wrong way.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's how I feel about my state adopting laws saying Non-Citizens can't vote. They already can't, the only thing the law is accomplishing is a dog whistle.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

It's almost like if you have to keep telling yourself that you live in a free country, you probably don't.

[–] capital@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And we’ve had multiple lawsuits decide exactly that - you do not have to do it.

[–] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

With this court, all bets are off though.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In most schools, it's not. But they don't advertise that.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)
[–] wanderer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943), is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court holding that the First Amendment protects students from being compelled to salute the American flag or say the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools.

They can't require participation.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It says I live in a state that requires it with no exceptions and that's simply not true. In HS a lot of students didn't participate.

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

It's been made clear in court that students can't be forced to make the pledge against their will.