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NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said on Monday, the 4th of November, during a visit to the German capital where he met with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, that Russia is carrying out hybrid attacks against other countries as part of its all-out war against Ukraine.

“Russia is carrying out … an intensified campaign of hybrid attacks in the territories of our allies, directly interfering in our democracies, sabotaging industry and committing acts of violence,” Rutte said.

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Calling the deployment of North Korean troops by Moscow a “major escalation”, Rutte said China and Iran also supported Moscow, but added that the NATO alliance was cooperating with countries in the Asia-Pacific region, including South Korea and Japan.

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[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The easiest way is to co-opt NATO by ignoring and replacing the US as much as possible. Recreating all the NATO structures and deals with the UK and Canada is something that could be done in a fair weather environment, with a war on our doorstep that's not realistic.

[–] Foni@lemm.ee -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm sorry but I think the UK and Canada should not be in that union. Being allies ok, being part of a military union not so much. The European Union must be a strong enough actor and to do so it must have its own aircraft carriers if you understand what I mean.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I live in Canada and in the event of US autocratic regime, we are in danger. I would like it if the European Union had our back against (say) incursions from former US border states, but I get that they would have their own problems to deal with.

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't get me wrong, Canada, the UK and others are, and in my opinion should remain, close allies with 100% mutual defense. But for the European Union I would like a fully integrated common army, even more than the current NATO and that would not make sense without at least a partial political union, something that the EU already has and that neither Canada nor the UK want

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's a different matter though. The above comment was about co-opting NATO if the US lost interest in it.

That doesn't go against the EU working towards forming a joint military.

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As long as NATO exists, the EU will never have a united army.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Tbh, I don't really see how? What about NATO prevents it?

And what about the countries of Europe that are in NATO (or have expressed a desire to join) but not the EU?