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[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 189 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Pretty fucked, but not as fucked as Ukraine, Palestine, Lebanon, or Taiwan.

NATO will be fucked for a while if the US withdraws, but other NATO countries may ramp up military spending over time.

This situation is a worldwide danger. The US is/was a world power, it has/had the largest national economy in the world, it has the largest military in the world.

Previously, we could be concerned that democratic countries (including the US) weren't putting enough pressure on authoritarian countries (like Russia, China, and North Korea) to improve. Now we have to worry that the US will actually become a fully authoritarian country, like Russia or China.

[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 22 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If NATO fades into oblivion, that would be a great opportunity for European countries to make a news defense organization where a single country like Hungary or Turkey can’t play their political games.

[–] philpo 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Technically the EU already is an defence organisation (Lisbon accords), even with a stronger mutual assistance clause than NATO. What is different is that there is no integrated command structure. But that is currently rapidly changing, Germany and the Netherlands already are fully integrated (more than NATO standards are), the Baltics are making great progress.

There is at least a chance

Huh, that’s fascinating. I wasn’t aware, but that’s cool to hear, despite how frustrating and depressing the motivation for it may be

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