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And I'm being serious. I feel like there might be an argument there, I just don't understand it. Can someone please "steelman" that argument for me?

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[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 200 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I know people who voted neither candidate because Trump was horrible and Harris was pro-choice. Single-issue voters are the death of democracy. Full stop.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 102 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I said months ago that we were going to "single issue" our way to Trump 2.0, and I've never ever wanted to be wrong more than when I said that.

Edit: Updated with receipts.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 97 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

nearly all the single-issue voters on the right vote in lock-step unison, and have for decades.

democrats and progressives seem to just toss in the towel if they aren't getting everything they want, right now.

it takes time to build something great, it takes but a moment to destroy it all. welcome to total destruction.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 35 points 2 weeks ago

Yep, to all that, and I've often grumbled the same things.

[–] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Single-issue voters on the right, single-issue nonvoters on the left.

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

“Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.”

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Everything being 'dont genocide' just so we're clear here. I dont particularly think that was a huge ask. Nor do i think effective economic policies changes for the working class.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And we'll get to see what the alternative provides. Yay, you won.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

No I didnt we lost. We lost our humanity, we've lost our shared communities. The fact i had to spend the last year arguing with people that genocide is not fucking okay is evidence of that.

In no fucking way do I consider this outcome a win. There was no winning this election unfortunately and thats precisely the fucking problem. But alas democrats decided committing genocide, arresting their enthusiastic base for protesting, fucking over the working class, and shitting on the people warning them about these issues come voting are winning strategies.

😮‍💨🤷

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And you decided lesser evil wasn't lesser enough? Now we get greater evil.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Your words not mine. You failed to convince 20 million people with that argument, harris failed to convince 20 million people to show up using it after blowing a billion dollars.

Harris lost 25 electoral points in two states out of the fucking gate using it.

Harris lost more for completely fucking ignoring the problems working Americans are feeling at home. A minor tax break after food has shot up 20-30% in four years? Fuck off.

She fucking managed to lose every swing state using it.

At what point do you fucking realize how absolutely fucking stupid of a play that reasoning is?

I dont need to argue this point anymore. You want answers look internally. Not to me, Ive spent the last year trying to get you deeebs to course correct. You failed to do so and as result you've earned trump.

Insanity:

  • you
  • Harris
  • biden
  • dnc
  • doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My punk rock lifetime bay area liberal 45 yr old friend voted Trump bc Israel.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 7 points 2 weeks ago

I could say something witty or sarcastic, but you've probably already thought something along the same lines. I'll just leave a facepalm emoji instead.

🤦🏻‍♂️

[–] minnow@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Only a radical speaks in absolutes

[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

..is an absolute statement in itself.

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Only in a two-party system. Locked in a two party system is the death of it. At least introduce multiple rounds, to democratically elect the 2 contestants for the final round...

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Only in a two-party system.

So you mean - like the system this election took place within?

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Sometimes being a single issue voter happens because people just care that much about that one issue. But there’s a natural tendency for anyone’s decision to come down to one thing. Complex issues are complex, most people don’t know what’s right. But then they do have ONE thing that they consider black-and-white, so that influences their choice. It gives them something they feel they can say to others “I just can’t bring myself to vote for someone who XYZ…”

Because let’s face it: no one wants to hear your entire list of political calculations. People’s choices are absolutely influenced by thoughts of how they’ll justify themselves to the people they know. And having one big pithy thing to say is more convenient than a subtle position based on a score of factors.

Humans are social, emotional, idiosyncratic shortcut machines, not logic engines.