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[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Harris lost Michigan by fewer votes than the number of people who voted “uncommitted” in the primary.

I don’t think the lesson here is to be more moderate or more conservative.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You know, uncommitted doesn't really bother me. Had I bothered voting in the primary, I'd probably have voted uncommitted, too. Because I'm not really happy about the administration's handling of the Israel-Gaza situation.

But I damn sure voted for Kamala yesterday. I hope the Jill Stein voters feel really fucking smug about teaching Democrats a lesson when Trump tells Netanyahu to just push all the Muslims into the fucking ocean, and sells them the bulldozers to do it. I hope they all fucking cheer when they watch it livestreamed, Xclusively on X.

Because I assume that's what they wanted out of this election, and by gum, they fucking got it.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder if democrats feel good about supporting (leadership) or excusing (voters) genocide because they thought they had to to win, but lost anyway.

[–] Steve@communick.news 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That was entirely about Israel and Gaza. The Democrats refused to distance themselves from the Republicans on that. Both sides were all in on the genocide. So yah people who felt it was the number one issue, had little reason to vote for Democrats over Republicans.

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Little reason to vote Democrat over Republican?

Donald Trump said he wants Israel to “finish the job.” The Democrats at least were making overtures to peace. Were sending aid to Gaza.

Kamala was walking a tightrope. She was losing voters to Trump who didn’t think she was pro-Israel enough, and others to Stein who didn’t think she was anti-Israel enough.

Strategic voting is important in a first-past-the-post system, and those who rejected Kamala because she wasn’t sufficiently anti-genocide for them get to sit in the knowledge that they helped her lose, and helped put a man who will absolutely make the genocide worse in power.

Edit: But yes, my point was she probably could’ve gotten some of those voters if she’d been more anti-genocide.

[–] Steve@communick.news 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Donald Trump said he wants Israel to “finish the job.” The Democrats at least were making overtures to peace.

Do you want 10 pounds of shit or 11? Who cares?

The pro-Israel crowd were already mostly evangelicals, all in on Trump from the get go.
Nobody would have voted for Stein if Harris took her Gaza rhetoric.

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I agree that she should’ve been pro-Gaza. I just also understand why she wasn’t.

It was calculated and cowardly, words that define the modern Democratic Party.

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

How many votes Harris got in the primary though?