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I'm not saying I understand the magnitude, but ICYMI: the populist right is also winning left and right in Europe. In my country, it's mostly just kind of funny since these blowhards are only now realising governing a country is kind of difficult and lots of government employees are just fighting against everything that's idiotic or destructive.
Thing is, one man can only do so much. If there are still people on the inside who have a feel for wrong and right, democracy is pretty rigid. People are desperate, but nowhere near as desperate as Germans were in the 30s after the huge sanctions and fines after The Great War.
In any event: my take on it all is to see what happens. If you voted, you did all you can do other than organising and taking to the streets. That's essentially what your second amendment is for. To put a positive spin on it: maybe he will actually improve your admittedly declining country. I just hope the means won't be catastrophic for anyone.
Unfortunately Trump's stated plan is to boot out everyone who won't kiss his ass, shut down "non-essential" services like the education department or national weather service, put someone in control of healthcare who believes all vaccinations need to be immediately banned, and pass national laws against women's reproductive health care despite his claims of letting each State handle their own business. And yes, on his own he could only do so much, but the Republican party also gained more seats in both houses of representatives which means it will be easier to steamroll through anything he wants. So yeah, we have many many good reasons to be worried.
I'm not saying 'don't be worried', I'm saying 'have a little bit of faith in the system and see how far he gets'. I take it some of the stuff he yells at easily influenced voters will be unconstitutional and I hope your checks abs balances will be strong enough to withstand the fall of your democracy.
If it's not, well, I'll also be fucked. So whichever way you slice it, the only thing to do is to wait and see.
I mean technically you could storm the Capitol but I think we know that doesn't really do shit except make you a meme or a prisoner or both.
I agree with the wait-and-see approach, but I also know how much damage he did the first time around even without a lot of support. And the amazing thing is that people still think the economy was better under Trump (who barely managed to coast on Obama's success) than it has been under Biden (who managed to turn around a global economic disaster after COVID). This time it's all going to be on Trump, and we're all going to suffer from it.