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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Translation for #1: He's telling them to give up because resistance is futile. Every conflict in history could find a peaceful solution if the oppressed simply gave up at the first sign of trouble with the oppressors. Clearly, that tends to be a losing strategy.

Translation for #2:

As for the Crimea where Russia is now moving in, it has historically been separate from Ukraine. It was a theatre of war between Western Europe and Russia during the 1850s, a fact which should be a warning to us today. Then, as now, empires fought for space and influence. Its Tartar population was treated disgracefully by Stalin, and wholesale deportation followed the end of World War II.

Eventually many [Russians] returned to the Crimea and they now make up an eighth of the population. Most of the rest are Russian speakers who came there during the Soviet period.

Obviously, without question, establishing a finders-keepers narrative.

I'm sorry but I do not buy either argument. It does not detract from the notion that Corbyn is trying to tell the defender, the victim, how they should be willing to fight back and how much they should be willing to lose.

I just want to know if Corbyn would volunteer for the front-line should Russia simply regroup following a ceasefire and attack again.

[–] bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I just want to know if Corbyn would volunteer for the front-line should Russia simply regroup following a ceasefire and attack again.

Ugh, embarrassing take. Do you think somebody talking about ending a war is betraying…yeah, what again?

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Ending a war by... Giving up? Conceding land? Letting the aggressor regroup and attack again?

... What?

All I want to know is if Corbyn is so confident in his ceasefire plan that he'd put himself on the Frontline if he's wrong. If he's right, then he has nothing to fear... Riiiighhht?

[–] bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

this war has been going on for 10 years now. do you think more people should die for…again, what?

How about a peace treaty with western countries giving real guarantees to Ukraine instead of trying to weaken Russia by proxy, aka the Ukrainian population, providing lacklustre military support.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What does duration have to do with anything? Why are you speaking on behalf of Ukrainians who are actually the ones defending their families and doing the fighting and who know what Putin is like from personal experience?

Real guarantees of protection like a pathway to NATO? Yeah, Russia kind of interrupted that my guy.

I say again: All I want to know is if Corbyn is so confident in his ceasefire plan that he'd put himself on the Frontline if he's wrong. If he's right, then he has nothing to fear... Riiiighhht?