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I was explaining this to my daughter in quite simplified terms the other day- we evolved to taste sugar and enjoy it because finding a sweet edible plant meant we had a source of energy to help us hunt that day. Pretty useful if you're a hunter-gatherer.

So we seek out sugar. Now we can get it whenever we want it, in much more massive quantities than we are supposed to be processing. Most of us are addicted. I'm not an exception.

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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 54 points 1 day ago (8 children)

To be fair, if you make pasta sauce from scratch you're going to be using a fair amount of sugar to balance the acidity of your tomatoes, so I don't find pasta sauce a useful demonstration.

But you're still making a good point. Once you start making stuff yourself, you really see what isn't required.

[–] thenextguy@lemmy.world 84 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I have never put any sugar in my from scratch sauce. But that's probably why I don't like jar sauce.

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You get it from different sources. Breakdown of onions and as someone else mentioned, carrots. Balsamic vinegar has some. There's other sources as well, I'm just blanking on them.

But agreed, I rarely add actual plain sugar to my pasta sauces.

[–] thenextguy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't put anything like that in my sauce. Tomatoes, garlic, olive oil, herbs and spices.

I think cooking it for hours tends to lower the acidity a bit.

But I think I just like it that way.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Your sauce will still have less sugar than others, but if I understand correctly, simmering for hours will break down the more complex sugars in tomatoes into simpler sugars resulting in a somewhat sweeter taste

I think cooking does also dull the percieved acidity of food though, hence lemon juice or other acids often being added at the end so as to keep the brightness. But I'm not actually sure if the pH changes or if it's just a change in the tartness we associate with acidity, maybe someone can chime in with more information :)

[–] rhombus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The actual acid (acetic in vinegar, citric in citrus and tomatoes) actually boils off with the water. So a long simmer actually removes the acid and changes the pH of the dish.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Oh shit, that's super interesting! Really appreciate you sharing that, now I wanna go read more about that some time!

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, but aren’t those sugars much different (read: better) than refined cane sugar (or worse: HFCS)?

[–] RonnieB@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sugar is sugar, but it's better that you're getting vitamins and fiber from those plants as fiber will slow the rate of absorption.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Fair and excellent point.

What I failed to articulate originally was that a lot of food already naturally contains sugar in some form, so adding in more sugar (like cane sugar or HFCS) is what makes it bad for you.

[–] KurtVonnegut@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

But is the sugar of broken down (caramelized) onions the same sugar? As in, would the jar with sugar next to my meal to show me how much sugar I'm eating fill up as the onions caramelize?

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 15 hours ago

I can’t imagine putting sugar in my sauce. The sweetness comes from hour four of San Marzano tomatoes simmering in an enameled Dutch oven.

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Carrots are common as a sweetener and thickener in some veggie based sauces. Melinda's hot sauce uses them too

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 1 points 18 hours ago

My grandma's old recipe was just letting them soak in it all day and then taking them out rather than leaving them in. They're a very nice snack after soaking in there. Very interesting flavor.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Username almost checks out 😁

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 2 points 18 hours ago
[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago

My pasta sauce doesn't have any sugar in it, but it does have tomatoes, browned onions and wine, all of which contain natural sugar.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If you let the sauce simmer for long enough, 4-5 hours, or pressure cook it the starches of the tomatoes will break down and you won't need to add sugar. The acidity will also go down the longer it's simmered too.

[–] sverit@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 hours ago

Starch in tomatoes? 🤔

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 11 points 1 day ago

Add me to the team that at least almost never adds sugar to any pasta sauce. In very rare occasions, I might add a tiny bit of honey, but I can't remember the last time I did that.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

People really need to find better tomatoes. Onions are all that's needed to balance the acidity, really.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 17 hours ago

the amount of sugar i put in my from scratch sauce doesnt compare to what usually comes with these premade satchets

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I have literally never once added a single granule of sugar to a pasta sauce. Heat and time on the stove are the only 2 things required to balance tomato acidity, and even this can be cheated with tomato paste. If you are putting sugar in pasta sauce, you don't now how to cook pasta sauce. It's shocking that your comment has upvotes...

[–] comador@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

If you can grow your own tomatoes, give Amish Paste Heirlooms a try.

They grow small, but a single plant can produce hundreds of low acidity balanced tomato fruits that are perfect for pasta sauce.