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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 36 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

The police are legally allowed to lie about everything not under oath or not to another public servant. It is one reason to never bother with their polygraph. They lie about the results, and then act like their lie is proof.

They lie to the press all the time about officers names, ages, and whereabouts. It is their reflex to just lie and worry about it later.

Even breathalyzer are less reliable than the police would dare admit.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I really wonder what a rebooted from scratch ethical police force would look like. A force with honor and integrity and all those words they print on the side of the cars. A respected, well-paid job.

You know, something like what they show on every TV program airing on CBS, but real.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The UK is a lot closer to that (though still has its issues). One of the main differences is the base mentality. America is "police by force", the UK is "police by consent". Our normal police don't even carry guns. The mentality change this creates is huge. They default to trying to deescalate things, and dealing with things calmly. This makes people a lot more responsive to their orders, when required.

Though to note, our officers aren't push overs. Most are fully capable of controlling someone aggressive. We also have armed response. Any mention of a gun involved, and they come in armed and trained to the teeth. We also have a mandatory minimum sentence of 5 years for an illegal firearm.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

I think American culture is much more adversarial (on a personal level) than many other nations. We're hyper-competitive and more about domination than cooperation.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

It's tricky, since you have inherent power imbalances and the jobs dangerous on top of that. I think you can look at Japans older model where they basically just have a pen and paper and chill out in kobans (corner police boxes) to just help people with directions and any disorders. Less heroic TV types and more glorified public assistants.

Would never fly here, but police are adorable in Japan.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It would be full of women, not men. The police have helped domestic abusers and rapists and murderers of women for decades. In fact, a lot of the police force is made of men who have done those exact crimes.

Just like if the medical system were just, doctors would have disabilities. As it is, almost no person with a disability can really make it through med school and residency to become a doctor.

This is the essence of why representation matters, and why one big powerful group shouldn't have total power over another group.

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 weeks ago

They still have to be good at their jobs to have an ethical and honorable police force. Plus an all woman police force would inevitably not be honorable or ethical.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Except if you refuse a breathalyzer, you are presumed guilty, not innocent.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Where I live, you can refuse a breathalyzer, but then you're taken to a blood test. If you were just on the edge on the limit, it might be worth it, because it takes a while to go to the blood tests so unless you've just had a drink, you'll have time to metabolise a bit.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Who does the blood draw though, police officers? I wouldn't really trust them near veins.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

They'll take you to the nearest healthcare center / ER basically.

Nowadays most don't really demand that right, as there's "accuracy breathalysers", which are acceptable as evidence, so usually you'll just use one of those at a police station or the back of some police vans. I'm unsure whether you can still refuse those for a blood test though.

But yeah no the police aren't allowed to draw the blood, that's for sure.