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Crash survival statistics are actually quite surprising. Like, you have higher survivability odds in the back of the plane -- cause everyone in front of you is your crumple zone.
Planes rarely reverse into mountains.
And the survival statistics have a lot to do with the amount of work that has been put into making the worst case "controlled descent into terrain" scenario exceptionally rare.
And when they do, everyone acts all shocked and bewildered and ask me how I did it
About 20 years ago I read a grim book about plane crashes. They claimed that the number 1 predictor of crash survivability on commercial craft was being a male between the ages of 20 and 50. They're apparently much better equipped to claw and climb over the other passengers on the way out.
Grim. I fly a lot and think about it at least every other trip.
Well, also that being bigger means you're less vulnerable to smoke or toxic has inhalation, which is what kills most people.
The stats of surviving in a plane are quite high.
The stats of surviving in a plane with at least one death are very low.
Usually, if anyone dies, everyone dies.
No, people die on planes all the time. Almost 3 million people fly daily, I'm guessing people die in flight almost every day due to natural causes.
However, I'm sure the stats with 2+ people dying, survival odds are quite low.
Honestly I wasn't going to bother specifying this but yes obviously you're correct. Alternatively it can be thought of as, "in a plane accident, if anyone dies, usually everyone dies"
Fair enough, I just figured since we were being particular, better specify lol
Almost certainly true of ocean landings. But I've spent a lot of time in bush planes (no crashes, knock on wood). I've had colleagues survive crashes where others have died. Perhaps it is sample bias, or something particularly about remote crashes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Air_Flight_6560 -- two of the survivors were in the back, both working for our company. After the crash: one never returned, one just quiet quit over the next year or two.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yellowknife-plane-crash-kills-2-people-1.987369 -- this plane crashed into our office building, killing the pilots, but the passengers all survived. I wasn't there, but coworkers would often describe the experience inside the building.
It happens often enough that I have two examples where I'm only one degree of separation.
I had two colleagues survive a helicopter crash into a lake at full speed (calm day, no waves, pilot lost track of where the surface was) -- one of my coworked was ejected out the front window of the helicopter (seatbelt was on). Didn't even warrant a news story. But everyone survived this one, which may be a data point in your favour.
I don't have an actual source for stats. Got anything?
Jesus Christ what kind of work do you do
As far as source, my ass. I heard it somewhere else (talking about commercial airliners) and it passed the smell test
At the time, arctic mineral exploration. However I blew out my knee and started a business with lower personal risk (equipment targeting the same market) ;)
Free photo -- me doing science in the arctic in winter (February, so the sun is up) with curious caribou checking it out
Damn, that sounds super cool! Need a hand? 😄😄
Kind of. My own business will probably needs to hire a tech sometime in the next six months. Ideally someone technically inclined with a steady hand (who can be trained to solder connectors onto cables, etc.)
Oh, the arctic exploration stuff? My old employer is Aurora Geoscience -- they have a careers page. There are others like them, depending on your citizenship and location. Many of these companies will hire labourers and semi-skilled technicians who want the lifestyle. You won't get paid a lot -- but it's kind of like the military experience without the guns and you come out knowing how to do a lot of shit. A good life experience. :)
I wish I had known about that when I was younger. I would have done that instead of the military.
Test pilot for planes put together by drunks.
But when you're sitting in the front during a crash the snack cart comes by one more time.
I think this every time I'm the back which is loud because of the engines.
I'm sensitive to noise, and usually book late enough that the only seats available are in back. And fly at least once a month.
Absolutely decent noise cancelling headphones are available for under $70 US last time I bought some. Mine were called Q30 or something, and they were better than my Sennheisers from 2016-ish. Worth every bit. If one can afford a ticket, one can afford this one thing to make it less awful.
Yeah I rarely fly so I don't bother.
I concur. I went high end though with Sennhauser cause I'm a nerd. Great investment.
Jump seat behind pilot for helicopters, I assume due to the supporting framework from the engines and not in blade range.
Middle of planes over the wing root - easy access to exits, crumple zone infront, not going with the tail if it hits, and strongest part of aircraft. Also right over a fuel tanks, so results vary.
You also have hugely increased survival odds with backwards seats.
But significantly increased motion sickness.
Tell that to the people in the back of the plane on Lost 🤣
Actually...nah, I'm not going there. But if you watched Lost, you know what I'm going to say.