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U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres arrived at the BRICS summit in the Russian city of Kazan on Oct. 22, despite criticism from Ukraine, Voice of America reported.

The BRICS group, a bloc of countries that includes Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia, and the United Arab Emirates, is convening in Kazan for a three-day summit from Oct. 22-24. According to Moscow, 36 world leaders are participating in the conference.

Guterres is expected to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the event on Oct. 24, according to Russian presidential aide Yuri Ushakov.

Ukraine's Foreign Ministry criticized the U.N. secretary general's visit.

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[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They don't have to leave perse.. but they could use these borders to trade and travel.. but these borders are also shut.. for the good of the Palestinians or something...

And yeah, leave them in the west bank and Gaza.

Antisemitism because of Israel.. some yeah, most "just because"... Bit silly to ascribe it all to that.

And hating Jews because the israeli government you associate them with, is doing wrong shit, leads to more violence..maybe even Jews that take their stuff and move to Israel. These will not be the most open minded well adjusted people.

And yes they should stop killing people. But how do we make the peace structural and not just a reprieve until the next flare up.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Their entire system of government is only allowed at the discretion of Israel, and we all know how Israel treats them. So they can't leave, they can't self govern, they can't extract the resources of their own land. What on earth do you expect them to do?

I never said the hatred was justified. But if Israel didn't do what it has been doing for the past 70+ years then the Jewish reputation wouldn't be as dogshit as it is now.

How do you make peace? Stop killing people would be a good start don't you think?

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, I think Palestinians should have the self governance. 2 state solution should be done properly. I don't think the neighboring countries will allow it, but we will see.

But then many worry (including me) if the Palestinians end up putting the same type of people in charge that will preach revenge and hatred only to drag them into another war we will be back here again. It's not as if that is unprecedented.

Israël holds the power and they have the responsibility to be better to the Palestinians than they are and help them become a proper state and self govern.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

I would argue for a single state solution. A 2 state solution would just foster an us vs them mentality. All western countries have laws allowing anyone of any ethnicity or religion to hold elected positions in government and other public service roles. Why should this be any different?

Hamas was propped up by Israel to delegtimize the Palestinian people. If they don't want the messages of revenge and radicalization to be so powerful then like Canada and the US did with the Natives, Israel needs to immediately begin reparations. It's never going to happen given Israel's current culture and leadership. But this violence won't ever stop.