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The support may be dropping away anyway.
Imagine a right wing US/EU election sweep from Zelensky's point of view. They're going to force Ukraine to capitulate, and in a very lopsided manner that cripples Ukraine forever, hence this could be an actual option/last resort more than a threat.
Would a right wing US government force a capitulation? I was under the impression that support from the US was bipartisan.
One party has completely been taken over by Russian assets, guess which.
The Trumpest of the the Trump.... The big Trumpest... 😃
Its this exact kind of baseless nonsense that makes it so damn difficult for a foreigner to try and understand US politics.
Trump is extremely pro-russian, and has managed to push most of the republican base that way.
The leadership is pro-ukraine, but their power is limited under a trump presidency.
It's not that hard to understand, you are proto-Hungary with nukes and guns.
No, I don't think I am.
Neither did Hungary. And look where they are.
Are you kidding? Trump hates Zelensky with a burning passion, because he personally wronged him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal
He's going to screw Ukraine and offer Russia a favorable capitulation the absolute first second he can. And probably offer Russia Zelensky if he can manage it.
The Republicans are increasingly turning anti-NATO as well.
Oldschool Republicans lawmakers 100% support Ukraine, maybe even stronger than Democrats do. Some are still hanging around the Senate, but most are gone or retiring soon (like Mitch Mcconnell), and they're already gone from the U.S. House and Trump's cabinet.
edit: Now that I think about it, Mike Johnson (The US House speaker) did make a suprise decision in support of Ukraine and in defiance of his own party, but his position as speaker is extremely precarious. I don't think that will happen again.
Not kidding, just a foreigner. I assumed it was bipartisan given America's hatred for Russia over the past few decades. Didn't realize Trump was so bully for em. I knew about the whole "he's a Russian not" conspiracy but given that seemed to be false I assumed it was more accepted by both sides that Ukraine should have aid.
Aplogies for being rude.
Yeah, Trump's fascination with strongmen is more of a personality quirk than policy, but the attitude of the Republic party has abruptly shifted from "anti Russia/China" to more universally protectionist and isolationist. If you watch Tucker Carlson (for instance), you'll hear a lot of questioning like "why should we have to pay for all this madness overseas?" and accusations its feeding the US military industrial complex... and there's a nugget of truth there. The oldschool Republicans have been steadily losing power, and this is kinda the tipping point.
If Trump wins, expect to see a lot of noise about withdrawing from NATO, pulling out of large trade agreements, "abruptly" settling disputes, tarrifs. Things like that, basically the exact opposite of the old neoliberal paradigm.
He also holds vicious grudges, something he did before he even got into politics, so that may color some foreign policy as well. If he's acting strange towards some person in particular on the news, search for "Trump (X) controversy," and something from before 2020 will probably come up.
We didn't hate Russia.
We didn't care.
Do you hate a rat you saw once 5 years ago?
At best we held them in quiet contempt until Crimea, then 2022 pulled the contempt to the surface.
Personally I think we need to set an example, dresden comes to mind.
The right wing has been making loads of pro-Russia noise, but do also try not to alienate their popular support too much before they're in power.
Realistically, Trump will sell out Ukraine to Russia if he's offered a good deal, but there's no point publicly destroying his ability to welch on supporting Russia before he's paid to support them (if you can't afford to walk away, you can't afford to negotiate), and there's no point in Russia paying him before he's actually in power and able to make the US govt cave in the first place.