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[–] Verdorrterpunkt 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The whole world demonstrated it clearly. If it's not in a big alliance, it needs nukes or the world will fuck the country over.

Nice precedent set there by pacivity, or outright aggression. Good job nuclear powers, real nice (/s).

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If the west wants to prevent nuclear proliferation they have to defend a county that gave up nukes willingly for the promise of defense. Shortsightedness of the western powers will lead to more countries learning from Ukraine’s mistake and hurt us worse than whining of a despot could ever do. It’s not like that big alliance doesn’t have nukes either.

[–] GeneralInterest@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I feel like the West is just doing the bare minimum to support Ukraine. Enough to be able to say "look we did something" but not too much, because maybe some voters won't understand the benefits of spending their taxes on Ukraine.

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

they have to defend a county that gave up nukes willingly for the promise of defense

I agree with you, ~~but the problem here lies with the fact that the promise was made by the same fucking country doing the invasion (Russia).~~

~~So no promise was made by the West or NATO in any way to Ukraine. Get your facts straight.~~

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Uhh, maybe you should get those facts straight?

Other nuclear powers - US, UK, France and China are signatories too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Big alliance" part is also untested. Who knows what would happen if Putin got Ukraine fast and moved onto the Baltics.

[–] Verdorrterpunkt 1 points 1 month ago

It worked so far though.