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[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Being German seems to make people less able to see the similarities. Almost as if your public education system has whitewashed the history, material realities, and tenor of Nazis and the Holocaust using the most effective means to do so: by having a strict and thorough public education system that discusses the overall topic to a large degree but leaves out any ability for Germans to recognize current yet rhyming causes, undercurrents, rhetoric and actions of genocidal racial supremacists. Germans can recognize a Swastika and (sometimes) punch someone for waving it around (some others still might salute it) but not the Lebensraum rhetoric from Israel, the ghettoization of Palestine, the genocide of Palestiniand, nor their own country's role in promoting all of these things for what it is. One thing that should not be hard to recognize is the flipping of aggressor into victim, of attack into a defense. That was Nazi rhetoric 101. Would you have symlathized with the "oppression" of "Aryans" by Jewish people? The "Judeo-Bolsheviks"!? Sounds like the answer could be yes.

Please do some reflection on what ethnic supremacy, genocide, and settler colonialism are - i.e. very Nazi things - and whether you oppose them.

[–] ZonenRanslite -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I never denied that Israel is committing war crimes. I only said that Baerbock is not committing genocide, which is the core message of this Baerbock-Hitler picture.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I never denied that Israel is committing war crimes.

So is this you now downplaying the genocide? As in genocide denial? Because I said nothing about war crimes but I did refer to ghettos and genocide.

I only said that Baerbock is not committing genocide, which is the core message of this Baerbock-Hitler picture.

She's just materially, diplomatically, and rhetorically supporting one. Do you get the reference now? Wiederholen sie auf Deutsch: "I should be against genocide. The Nazis did genocide and many people helped them. If I support genocide people will compare me to Hitler and they will have a point."

[–] Fotzenfritz 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Go ahead infowarrior, u do it well

[–] ZonenRanslite -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Genocide has occurred through many different mechanisms. You are dithering about the exact form in order to engage in genocide denial. You should be ashamed.

The Nazis' genocide was not only their death camps, either, which you would know if you cared about the history or this topic. They would massacre entire villages, turn neighborhoods into ghettos and kill entire masse, including when they fought back (like the Warsaw Ghetto), they would shoot individuals on the spot when they were located. They would siege civilian centers and starve or kill at will.

[–] ZonenRanslite -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yes of course I support the resistance against genocidal apartheid, thank you for the compliment. You think I would be upset by comparison to the ANC or WWII partisans?

Of course you have no real response to what I said, your genocide denial is a form of cowardice.

[–] ZonenRanslite -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So you're just a religious fanatic, blinded by propaganda. Hamas is just as criminal as Israel, both bring death and misery to the people. Partisans, I'm not laughing.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Incorrect on all counts. And I see you are still too afraid to engage with what I said.

Schade.

[–] ZonenRanslite -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh, du kannst deutsch? Ich bin nicht zu ängstlich mich mit deinen Argumenten auseinander zu setzen. Du bist nur in einer falschen Sichtweise gefangen. Schau über das Ganze und du wirst sehen, dass es nur um Macht für eine Elite geht, denen sind Menschen scheißegal. Es geht nicht um Religion oder Widerstand oder dergleichen. Es geht nur um die eigene Macht und dafür wird eine Propagangeschiene gefahren und das von beiden Seiten.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Germans are taught to recognize genocide and fascistic actions through aesthetics, not substance. Consequently they continue to support both, including through the classic, intentional dissembling and deflection from such things, as you are doing now.

I prefer that genocide deniers use a language that most people here will understand. But yes, I can see and understand what you and your compatriots say, especially when you think nobody else is reading.

[–] ZonenRanslite -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ok Schreibtischtiger, dann zieh los und verändere die Welt.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The genocide denier is giving advice. How kind!

[–] ZonenRanslite 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is no advice, this is a request.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It is a command, really, one that continues a pattern of cowardly deflection from and attempts at trolling for genocide.

German Lemmitors aren't beating the charges.

[–] ZonenRanslite 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is this all, come on Fanboy, rant a little more, i am not impressed.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

[–] ZonenRanslite 1 points 2 months ago

Now i am confused.