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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Is that a “straw man” I smell?

Alright, I'm sure you can explain what the meme means and how it has absolutely nothing to do with an implication that glass bottles are less environmentally ruinous than plastic. By all means, I'm all ears.

[–] lengau@midwest.social -1 points 2 days ago

The meme shows a reusable glass bottle (the same one I get my milk delivered in, actually). The study explicitly excludes reuse of the glass bottles and notes that they'll generally get reused 20-40 times, reducing their impact.

The 1:1 comparison, at least where I live, is of single-use "recyclable" plastic to reusable glass bottles, which this study does not do.

The straw man to which OP is referring is the specific assumption that one is replacing single use plastic with single use glass, which is a much weaker statement than what my interpretation of OP's meme was, which includes reusing the glass.

If OP had used a glass coke bottle (for which I can't find the same evidence of reuse, and which do have much longer logistics chains, increasing the impact of the Glass's weight), the interpretation of single use glass would be more reasonable.

[–] leftist_lawyer@lemmy.today 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The meme has to do with “ancient tech” vs. “progress.” The pictures could be “old internet” vs enshittified internet. Or, a calculator vs chatGPT. Or, old electric cars vs tech platforms with wheels.

The point being what we often call “progress” is in fact the opposite. You know, the “words” I “actually used” in the meme … vs. the straw man you created.

Theories abound as to why toddlers are more interested in things that “defy expectation.” The bouncier, the more attraction. The shinier, the more the attraction … etc. Marketers know this well and exploit it. We’re not logical — we knee jerk react instead actually thinking about the thing in front of us.

Like assuming, without really thinking about it, that this meme is about glass vs. plastic.

No. It’s about the title. Again, the words I “said.” Which were “The Human Condition.”

Thank you for providing a stunning exemplar of my point.

[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Hey man, you chose the examples to push, not us.