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[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've always said the difference between a true conspiracy theorist and a fucking loon is proof.

There's tons of stuff we know happened and have almost overwhelming proof of but the powers that be for some reason will not prosecute, that's a conspiracy and they might even be part of it.

If you believe that a myriad aliens are pretending to be human and secretly controlling the world and the only immediate proof is that we are becoming more inclusive, you're a fucking loon.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I disagree. Once there’s proof you aren’t a conspiracy theorist, you’re just someone who believes in evidence based reality. I’d argue that it’s evidence and a believable narrative.

At one point you were a complete loon for believing the us government was attempting to do mind control using lsd. Then after the evidence was leaked you were a bit of a conspiracy theorist. Now after it’s been admitted to by the us government you’re a loon if you insist it didn’t happen.

[–] s_s@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

"Conspiracy" assumes the government is functioning in a fundamentally honest manner.

In the 70s, the public was frankly shocked to learn about the Watergate Scandal, because they assumed America operated in a fundamentally honest manner.

After Watergate, the "conspiracy theorist" developed. Because if Watergate is true, what else is going on?

Around that time, AM radio was looking for new programming after the public's music listening transitioned to FM and we got a steady diet of extremist religious programming and Conspiracy-laden talk radio. Shortly after the Fairness Doctrine ended and things really took.off. One of the biggest TV series of the 90s was the X-files.

Anyways, if you have a conspiratorial government (e.g.China), you're not a "conspiracy theorist" to believe in conspiracy. There are very obvious conspiracies at work.

The corruption epidemic the US is now facing (post Citizens United) means we no longer assume we have a fundamentally honest government.

"Conspiracy theorist" is dead. Our government is fundamentally conspiring.

[–] Backlog3231@reddthat.com 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Conspiracy hypothesisizer