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[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 12 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I'd say they started the misstepping after they "fixed" Vista with windows 7. After that, they tried to hard instead of slow rolling. Windows 10 was good but 11 is just....windows 8 again.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Windows ME was the original mistake edition. It was terrible.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 hours ago

Lol look who forgot about Win 98, the version so bad they made an SE version with a free upgrade.

MS has been alternating good releases and bad releases for most of my life.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Well yes. But in more recent times for the examples I was giving

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The 17th anniversary of vistas release is coming up in January of next year.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

Wonder what's next for Microsoft to fuck up. I was the equivalent of Linux minimal but for windows 11.... I guess I want server core.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Windows has always had broken versions. The old advice was to always skip every other version.

NT, Millennium, Vista, 8... 10... 11... More misses than hits really. And the bad updates are turning hits into misses.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

That list mixes NT kernel OS's with Win95 OS's to support a bad hypothesis.

The NT line is:

NT 3.1, NT 3.51, NT 4, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Vista, 7,8, 10.

NT 4, 2000, and XP were all great. Vista was good on good hardware. 7 was good. 8 was bad, 10 good, 11 bad.

If you take the 95 path it's 95 good, 98 good, Me bad.

The only pattern is 7 good, 8 bad, 10 good, 11 bad.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Anyone who says NT was ever bad is out of their mind. That was the thing that saved Windows since 95’s kernel wasn’t modern. Anything that crashed took the entire system down. Yeah, that was fun times kiddos.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Well 11 is NT as was 8. Although it's only problem was the UI.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Windows 98 sucked. Windows 98SE was... well I won't say good, but it was ok.

Vista was good on good hardware

That's a hell of a caveat for an OS meant to be run on consumer hardware. You might get away with that kind of caveat if MS only offered in on good hardware and people went and put it on non-recommended hardware on their own accord. But that's not the case, Vista sucked when running on hardware that met MS's specs, so it sucked.

So the real pattern is Win 3.0 sucked, 3.1 ok, 95 sucked, 95B ok, 98 sucked, 98SE ok. Windows Me? OMG let's just move everyone over to NT and never talk about this again!

2000 was good. XP wasn't great but improved after awhile. Vista sucked. Windows 7 was peak windows, it was downhill from here. 8 sucked, 10 was ok, and 11 is shaping up to be complete dogshit.

So it's not precisely every other release is bad, but close enough to see a pattern. I guess you could say 2000-> XP doesn't follow the pattern, but Me->XP does. And since 2000 and previous NT versions were meant for servers, not home PCs, while XP was meant for home PCs. It would make more sense to look at the pattern of releases for PC releases rather than mixing in server releases.

When MS has an OS that works decently they tend to try to cram in a bunch of shit into the next release which causes problems. Then they either remove the shit (or at least make it work better) for the release after that so they have something that works ok again. Then it's back to adding a bunch of shit into the next one.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Win95 did not suck. 3.1 was trash compared to 95. 95 has a real desktop UI, tcpip built in and a 32 bit preemptive kernel.

98 was great. It wasn't any more buggy than 95.

You ignored NT 4.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm speaking from experience in using theses OSes, not from a list of features they had. I didn't use NT 4 personally (and that's way outside the scope of personal computer OSes), so I didn't talk about it.

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

People used 3.1 and 3.1.1 for years even though it was running on top of MSDOS but show me someone who used 3.0? Or 1.x, 2.x? Unheard of. Version 3 started off with some problems that needed a more or less immediate large update.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 1 points 14 hours ago

Yea I still follow that advice.