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I mean, say what you will about cars but the sidewalk is a dedicated lane for pedestrians. Walk on the street, fuck around and find out.
Plus if you’re walking in the road walk against the flow of cars not with. That way if a drunk driver (or just general asshole) comes swerving down the road you can see it and react.
I’d like to know why this was downvoted. Walking against the flow of traffic so you can see what’s coming is sensible advice.
Walking maybe, but bicycles that do this are morons. It’s been proven over and over that it’s unsafe yet they continue doing it — is no one curious about “hey I don’t know if that’s safe, I should check online?”
Nobody mentioned bicycles.
Uh, I did? I’m not allowed to mention things now? This community is intolerable
It may not have been your intention, but if you re-read the thread, you'll see that you're seemingly arguing for downvoting the advice of walking against the flow of traffic by bringing up bikes for no reason.
Bringing up bikes changes the point as bikes and pedestrians have different road use rules
my dad always said: walk facing toward traffic, and make eye contact with drivers, so they can be haunted by your face for the rest of their lives if they run you over.
Or you could just use the sidewalk?
A lot of the places I lived growing up didn't have sidewalks.
Rural roads man.
90% of the streets in my neighborhood don’t have sidewalks and I live in a major city. Exactly half of one side of my block has a sidewalk
Unfortunately, you probably live in a formerly red lined area. This is a vestige of the past institutional racism from your city. But setting that aside, I was referring to the actual sidewalk present in the photo
One example: 47°42'58.8"N 122°18'21.3"W
no, it's not redlining, these are the neighborhoods redlining was keeping black people out of.
cute attempt at whatever that was tho.
Nope
I'm aware, but in this exact picture, there is a sidewalk.
Fuck around and find out is a pretty shitty attitude towards people sharing a street. Is that the excuse you will give a parent after injuring a kid that chased a ball onto the street? It isn't like this is a highway, people have homes on the street. The street is not exclussively for cars, cars just tend to get the most space and priority.
Don’t share the street is what I’m getting at. I can’t and won’t share the sidewalk with my car, why should I share the street with pedestrians? The picture in the OP is not a kid running into the street for a sec to get a runaway ball. It’s people walking down the street with a sidewalk mere feet away from them. This isn’t the 1800s where there is no sidewalk and you had to contend with horses. Now there are multiple thousand pound death machines. Have a little regard for your own safety and use the dedicated lanes for people.
Drivers are expected to share the street with cyclists, in many places it is the law to provide a minimum distance for a cyclist. On a residential street like this, i don't see how some pedeatrians are a real problem or risk unless the driver is already driving unsafely. The street is not exclusively yours because you bought a car.
That's because bikes are more car like in operation than pedestrian. Else the sidewalk would be more appropriate for a bike.
Really, bikes should have their own dedicated lanes too (which some cities do have). Or laws should be changed to allow cyclists to share the sidewalk with pedestrians, but that’s a controversial opinion. I know in my city, cyclists are a whole other issue - they flout all the laws by riding the wrong way down the street, switching from the road to the sidewalk without getting off their bikes, they run red lights and stop signs, and yet when they get hit by a vehicle somehow it’s the vehicle driver’s fault. But that’s an entirely different conversation.
It's still a multi thousand pound machine with a fallible human operator. Better to be in a space not designated for it.
Edit to be clear the fault would generally rest with the driver, but pedestrian driver interactions should be limited at all costs
It's not a good idea to share the street when there's a sidewalk. In that equation a car always wins
Maybe we need to bring back blóðhefnd . If a driver murders someone with their reckless driving, maybe they should live the rest of their life in fear that the surviving kin will do the same to them or their lived ones.
If you are walking on the street when there's a sidewalk you as the pedestrian are being reckless.