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Edited later to add:

The original press release seems to be gone now, but here is what is claimed to be the revised release, and an article on the same topic.

https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/polizei-dortmund-greta-gewaltbereit-100.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-politician-calls-greta-thunberg-102611513.html

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The German Authorities: still keeping alive the Authoritarian mindset and "protecting" those commiting Genocide whilst claiming to represent a "superior" race from "Communists" and "lesser" races.

You can get the Nazi Party out of Germany but you can never get the Nazism out of the hearts of the kind of German who seeks power.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can get the Nazi Party out of Germany but you can never get the Nazism out of the hearts of the kind of German who seeks power.

Hm, this, but for absolutely every nation on Earth ever, even the tiniest ones, the opposed ones, the ones oppressing others, etc etc.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's partly true.

Whilst indeed sociopathic assholes are everywhere, the difference in what they end up doing is down to the culture of what's acceptable or unnacceptable and of what is done about the latter in a society.

Judging by what's been done again and again in Germany from even before the start of this latest stage of the Israeli Genocide, the whole seeing of people as mainly members of an ethnicities and discriminating for or against them depending of ethnicity is very much culturally acceptable in Germany, as is the idea that it's more important to forcefully control dissent against the acting on that Racism than it is to respect Democracy.

Sadly the Israeli Genocide has brough into focus just how entrenched the viewing of people through the filter of racial prejudiced and the authoritarian thinking still are there (granted, more the former than the latter), especially compared with Democratic nations with less history of such things: Germany is ending in the wrong side of a Holocaust once again because the lesson culturally learned from the last one was not the Humanist "This should never be allowed to happen again" but instead it was "Germans should never do this again to Jews", a version that strictly assigns victim status and hence deserving of protection on the basis of the ethnicity a person was born into, unconditionally and with no limit placing people into the "deserving of special treatment" category those born in the right ethnicity, as if all Jews were all the same and hence equaly victims and deserving of special treatment, and all non-Jews were the same and equally not victims and not deserving of that treatment. The Racism of this is further confirmed by how the Roma people (commonly known as Gypsies) who were equality targetted by the Nazis, do not receive the same treatment.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, it is known.

Can you name examples of countries without such history & persistent influences through generations?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'll give you an interesting example of how a similar Past get reflected differently in different countries.

Germany is one of the few countries in Europe were if you buy a SIM card for your phone (pay as you go, so without a contract) you are obligated by Law to present your identification and it all gets recorded.

Now, remember, Germany had not one but TWO secret polices, the last one (the Stasi, in East Germany only) having been not long ago and being well known for their wiretapping of phones.

Meanwhile my own native Portugal also had a dictatorship about half a century ago, as did next door Spain, and in these countries (and I expect in other similar ones such as Greece and most of Eastern Europe, but I can't say for sure) there would be a veritable outcry if any politician merely suggested mandatory registration on purchasing of a card for your phone or in fact any other such measure with even the mere whiff of being only useful for surveillance. Portugal even has quite strong banking secrecy laws compared to the rest of Europe and a Judicial System with lots of levels of checks and counter-checks (which, unfortunately, makes it quite slow) in reaction to the lack of Due Process of the Fascist dictatorship.

The Portuguese were the ones who kicked out the Fascists, whilst in Germany foreigners were the ones who kicked out the Fascists (and the fall of Communism was the consequence of events far away from East Germany) so maybe that's what dictates just how much and how deep the rejection of the ideas of the old dictatorship will go in a country which was once Authoritarian.

[–] Maeve@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

Meanwhile in America, people don't bat an eye at handing over RealID for the most minor purchases (not to mention SIM cards), which is then scanned into a government-connected database, backdoored tech and Amazon Ring.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Bullshit

This has likely more to domwith Germany still being "mea culpa" about the Nazis, desperately trying to show that they are not against Jews

Maybe.

Either way, calling this a Nazi action is just low

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Banning a protest under whatever pretext they can come up with is definitely an authoritarian move. Giving police power to do that is not what a democracy should be doing.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Only a Racist nation would equate victimhood with ethnicity.

The lesson learned from the last Holocaust should've been "Never again shall we allow this to be done to anybody" not the very different and deeply racist "Never again shall Germans do this to Jews".

The way of thinking that sees people as members of a Race and treats them differently based on that did not leave Germany when the Nazis were stopped: all that was done was that the list of "deserving" and "not deserving" races was updated. This is why we keep seeing Germany follow the principle of "even the most horrible and inhuman behaviours are acceptable if those committing them are from the right race", same as they did in the "old days".

Still today there's a lot of Racism in Europe, but nobody else is going around justifying the mass murder of children, and forcefully stamping out on dissent against that mass murder, because the genociders are from a specific race (which, "curiously" is a White one) and the victims are from a different race (which, "curiously" is a Non-White one).

Compared to what the rest of Europe is doing, this is a lot more like the kind of Racism that was the foundation of Nazism than mere run-of-the-mill Racism, and the easy and casual subversion of Democratic principles merelly to stamp out dissent against such extreme Racist official position is another of those ways of behaving common in the "good old days".

Even the very idea that Israel is the same as the Jewish Ethnicity betrays a Racism that sees all Jews as the same and alld represented by and supporting of Israel, profound so even because it denies the view of those Jews who openly oppose the actions of Israel and its actions under its Zionist leadership. Even towards the very people they claim to have a duty to support, the German Power elites cannot stop themselves from being profoundly Racist.

I used to have a very different view of Germany before the Israeli Genocide really brought up just how much guided by Racial Membership the German view of the World is, how extreme such view is in what it will excuse and just how thin the veneer of Democracy trully is there.

It's not Nazism, but it shares the very same foundations of prejudice, authoritarian leanings and lack of limits to what are acceptable actions from the "right" races.