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[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm Palestinian, grew up in a Palestinian family, went to lots of protests, "Kill all Jews" is not something people say out or appreciate. The problem is with Zionists, not Jew.

That being said, totally legal to march in Israel and chant "Death to all Arabs"

[–] IceBerg@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ok. I assume you don't live in Gaza. Because then you'd be learning antisemitism in school: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/eu-study-confirms-incitement-in-palestinian-textbooks

And I assume you don't go to mosque because then you'd be hearing about gharqad

And probably didn't attend these protests: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/death-to-the-jews-chants-heard-at-berlin-pro-palestinian-rally/amp/

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rjdkan0mp

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, antisemitism exists. No, Palestinians as a collective don't want to kill all Jews. The Israel government on the other hand is adamant to kill every last Palestinian or ethnically cleanse them with forced displacement.

And no, I did not go to those protests, and if I did I would have spoken up about it and not let people chant such bullshit.

And no, I don't go to mosques, I'm an atheist.

Ah yes and the antisemitism in books claim:

One religious studies textbook asks students to discuss the “repeated attempts by the Jews to kill the prophet” Muhammad and asks who are “other enemies of Islam.”

This is a historical event, regarding specifically the Jewish tribes near Mecca. That being said, fuck Mohammed and fuck Israel just the same.

A math text showed a picture of Palestinians hitting Israeli soldiers with slingshots to describe Newton’s second law of motion.

LOL. What is the issue exactly? Doesn't say "Jews", says specifically hitting an Israel soldier, as one should when all means of resistance have run out.

Another textbook “promotes a conspiracy theory that Israel removed the original stones of ancient sites in Jerusalem and replaced them with ones bearing “Zionist drawings and shapes.”

Yes, good example of antisemitism, haven't double checked this though and don't really know what it refers to 🤔 pretty sure Israel ruined all sorts of historical Palestinian sites anyway.

About Dalal Al Maghrebi, yeah, that's bad, I agree, she should not be hailed as a hero.

[–] IceBerg@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The Israel government on the other hand is adamant to kill every last Palestinian or ethnically cleanse them with forced displacement. - please show your proof. And please don't give me quotes from several outliers which unfortunately have been brought recently into the Israeli government. They don't represent the majority of Israel as apperantly the multitudes cheering in the streets while the October 7th hostiges were paraded through Gaza streets represent the people of Gaza.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Everything on the news today. That's proof.

[–] IceBerg@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's proof that there is a war on. No proof of any systematic killings. Based on Palestinian reports there are about 20000 dead, no information of course on how many of them combatants. So over the course of 3 months you have a less than 1 percent fatalities. I point you back to my meme and ask tou where's the genocide. In the ww2 bombing of dresden 25000 people were killed in just 4 attacks. Israel is doing everything possible to kill only combatants. As I mentioned earlier it is impossible to avoid civilian deaths as they are being used as human shields. Military equipment is constantly being found in hospitals, mosques, schools and under childrens beds.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

. Israel is doing everything possible to kill only combatants.

Hmmm, so why does Israel use dumb bombs and large missiles that caused the Christmas Massacre for example? 🤔

Also what about all the dead journalists? If Israel can't help but shoot at people whose vests say PRESS, then why should I believe this claim of yours?

[–] IceBerg@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Israel has lost over 500 soldiers to date. Why put soldiers at risk? You can be sure that if all Israel wanted was annihilation then there are way better ways (dumb bombs as you say) to just completely level Gaza. Israel is targeting military targets which reside within dense population. This sometimes results in unintended deaths thats war. Also, journalists in war zone tend to get killed. Especially ones which embed themselves within combatants. I would also argue the actual number of journalists killed is much smaller, as the definition of a "journalist" is very fluid these days. But that's just my speculation at the moment, I don't have facts to back that up.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If Israel is trying its best not to hurt civilians, then why is an unreasonable amount of civilians dead by everyone else's account except for yours and Israel's?

I won't comment about not considering them journalists since I think that's a weak speculative argument with nothing to back it up (all journalists killed could be traced to an organization they worked for or freelanced for). So I'm ignored this BS.

[–] IceBerg@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What would be a reasonable amount? What do you consider a reasonable response towards people who decapitate babies? Bake them in ovens in front of their parents? Rape women while mutilating their bodies? The list goes on. What's a reasonable response for a country that has had this thing done upon it?

Israel is at war. A war it did not start and it will do everything it can to ensure rhis never happens again.

Another question for you, if Gaza is so dangerous for innocent civilians due to indiscriminate bombings, why isn't Egypt taking in refugees? Why aren't civilians allowed to take shelter in the kilometers of underground tunnels which were built using th billions (yes billions) of dollars the Gaza strip has received over the years?

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I thought no babies were decapitated. This turned out to be disinformation :/ in case you missed the memo

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/12/40-israeli-babies-beheaded-by-hamas/

At this point I think you're just a misinformation bot lol

[–] IceBerg@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

Unfortunately, I know this for a fact (I'm from Israel, talked to people who were there). It's not even the worst thing that was done. As Israel is torn between protecting the victims of the attacks and explaining them to the world, the proof you require will probably never be shown. I assume you are familiar with the "Hamas horror film"? Is what it shows not enough to go to an all out war against an enemy that has very clearly shown its only goal is your total destruction?