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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Just stop with this GOP-astroturf "replace Biden" campaign.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I've been slamming Russian/tankie "both are bad" commenters for a while here; check my comment history before you judge my response here:

I don't know about a campaign but the sentiment is hardly astroturfed. A lot of leftist (not liberal or tankie, actual leftist) pundits and influencers think Biden is a bad look for normies and certainly doesn't energize voters. This includes people from all varieties, who are not always in agreement otherwise; like Emma Vigeland from Majority Report (and probably more people from that show), Hasan Piker, Vaush, Cenk from TYT... Whatever you may think about any or all of them, they're all in agreement on Biden being replaced.

These people are hardly part of an echo chamber, they regularly come at odds with one another, and none of them are part of an astroturf, and definitely not from GOP.

Note that all of these people would still advocate for voting Biden as long as he's the candidate. But their concern is about voter turnout after his horrible performance in that debate. This is a country who elected W. Bush, because they'd like to have a beer with him. How they look and come off unfortunately matters, sometimes more than the content of their messages and even accomplishments.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I am always skeptical when I hear leftists echoing the same talking points as far right hacks. These are folks I would expect to be in unison on this point. They are ideologues. That's fine, that's their job.

Ideologically, the points are well taken. I too wish for a more progressive president. I'm not excited about Biden, either. I can live through four more years of Biden if that's what's to come.

Beating Trump is most important.

I'm of the firm belief that Biden can do that (he's already done it once), and that he is the best situated to do it. That's based on the conventional wisdom. Yes, it's the same conventional wisdom that lost the election for Hillary in 2016, but also won it for Biden in 2020. Biden's campaign apparatus is in place and switched on. He's on the ballot. He's got the backing. To try and change that now seems insurmountable.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Is the GOP actually the ones wanting us to replace Biden at the moment? If anything, there's a very good reason to believe the GOP would want Biden to remain: he's a quite unpopular president for whom the overwhelming majority of Americans have concerns about his age and mental fitness. Further, he has a ton of political baggage, and is highly contentious amongst Democrats.

Personally, I genuinely think Gretchen Whitmer (with Pete Buttigieg as running mate) would be much more likely to win in November, at least according to post-debate polling from this leaked internal memo: https://puck.news/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/SUNDAY_Post-Debate_Landscape_2024_06_30__1_-1.pdf

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