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And here we are, over a week after the debate. They're still harping on Haitian immigrants in 1 town, while Harris is blazing up the campaign trail, yet polls are still concerningly close.
This is how scary this election is becoming
As I recall, in terms of the electoral college, neither Biden nor Harris have, at any point, been projected to beat Trump. It's not "becoming" scary, it's been scary for quite some time.
There's no one single model doing projections.
Five Thirty Eight's, which is one prominent one, has favored Harris somewhat for a while.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/
Nate Silver -- who started Five Thirty Eight and is now off doing his own thing and runs a fork of the model that Five Thirty Eight used to run -- had them, last I looked, had Harris and Trump at about about even chances.
Both Silver's model and Five Thirty Eight's model agreed that the debate improved Harris's chances.
Important to note that Nate Silver works for Peter Theil, who has donated heavily to Trump pacs, and is responsible for giving us JD Vance.
Do you have a source on Silver working for Thiel?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymarket
Interesting.
Tl;Dr: Nate Silver is an "advisor" to Polymarket, a gambling platform based on real world events. Peter Thiel is an investor for Polymarket.
It seems like a stretch to say that "Nate Silver works for Thiel," but it's pretty sad to see Nate Silver working for a likely illegal crypto scam.
Nate Silver is a paid advisor to a company that Peter Thiel runs, it's not a stretch at all, wake up.
The Wikipedia link above mentions nothing about that. Do you have a different source?
Nah, just pointing out a possible conflict of interest.
So "Peter Thiel runs Polymarket" is a fact that you made up?
Nah you're right it's just a billionaire funding a company that just coincidentally hired Nate. Nothing to see here, billionaires can be trusted.
I do that for a lot of Thiel types. Believe me, I don't work for them, and I'm vocal about my opposite values from them
You should go through crunchbase. Anyone in tech has worked at a place with evil investors. They just care whether you hit your numbers after finding product market fit. I'm a conspiracy theorist. This is not it.
Just a clarification, Silver doesn't run a fork of the old 538 model. He took the model with him. 538 developed their own after he left.
Crazy that is already 60% instead of 64% since you posted this. No deeper comment there other than just noting how fluid this election is. We are one Harris mistake (and remember, mistake tolerance for Harris is significantly lower than Trump; Trump is basically one long series of mistakes that has little effect on his numbers; if Harris mispronounces Gaza once she loses 5%), one unexpected event, one butterfly-wing flap from those numbers going to even or worse.
40% of the time Trump wins. 40% of the time, an authoritarian leader assumes the presidency of the most powerful country in the world.
I stand by my statement that no Harris supporter should feel confident or comfortable. That's... frighteningly high.
Five-thirty-eight is a joke. Who did Five-thirty-eight project to win in 2016? Yeah.
Who did professor Allan Lichtman predict to win in 2016? The winner! He uses a strange science technique that have retrospectively lined up with presidential winners since 1860. He has an impressive tract record of ten successful predictions - note he predicted Gore in 2000 but there is very persuasive evidence that Gore actually did win had the vote counts been honestly counted. Hence the Brooks Brothers riot that threw the election to the Supreme Court.
Republicans are now positioning for that to happen again in 2024.
This is the ignorant “I don’t understand statistics” take. If Nate Silver had given Clinton a 100% chance to win, then maybe you’d have some sort of point. But, in fact, the 538 projection gave Trump a much higher chance than most of the major election models, to the point that I remember Nate having to defend himself against angry people on Twitter over and over. He wrote an article ahead of the election pointing out that if an outcome has a 30% chance of happening, not only is it possible, but in fact you expect it to happen 3 in 10 times. I was very nervous on Election Day 2016 specifically because I had been closely following 538 projections.
This post is further evidence that everyone should be required to take a statistics course. It's like saying "statistical probability says there is a 66.6% chance of me rolling this six-sided die and getting a 1, 2, 3, or 4, but I rolled a 5, so that model is WRONG!!"
I hope you can see how dumb that sounds.
Additionally, Lichtman referred to the popular vote in his book, essay on the topic (neither of which I assume you've read), and in all previous predictions. So he was actually wrong about his 2016 prediction given Trump lost the popular vote, much though Lichtman has tried to revise history since then.
Also a great example of how fact checking fascists is completely ineffective. Platforming a fascist via a debate does nothing other than legitimize their viewpoints.
I can’t believe how fucking racist this country is. 20 years ago if a candidate did this, they’d be given the kiss of death by the media and made to drop out.
Hell Howard Dean lost because he screamed funny. This is abhorrent.
Dean was already losing. The scream perhaps was the final nail in the coffin.
Are polls still done by landline?