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I have been seeing plenty of guillhotine and mollotov jokes here, and as the title says, punching nazis.

I've been reading a book about nonviolence and anarchism, and he basically shows how we shouldn't use violence, even in extreme cases (like neo nazis).

The main argument is that the means dictates the ends, so if we want a non violent (and non opressing) society, punching people won't help.

And if it is just a joke, you should probably know that some people have been jailed for decades because of jokes like these (see: avoiding the fbi, second chapter of the book above).

Obviously im up for debate, or else I wouldn't make this post. And yes, I do stand for nonviolence.

(english is not my first language, im sorry if I made errors, or wansn't clear.)

(if this is not pertinent, I can remake this post in c/politics or something)

(the book is The Anarchist Cookbook by Keith McHenry, if you are downloading from the internet, make sure you download it from the correct author, there is another book with the same name.)

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[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can mock and deride them in media of course. But when a Nazi asks about violence you always respond with language they understand.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I disagree. Fascists want to simplify every conflict this way—“They’re coming to kill you, so we need to kill then first”. By accepting the conflict on those terms, you’ve already conceded a rhetorical battle.

Leftists have rarely excelled at martial conflict. It’s not typically our strength. Our strength instead is that we fundamentally want to help people and make the world more free and just. We win by making sure people understand that. Getting into fist fights with Nazis undermines this strategy and doesn’t do anything to fundamentally undermine their power.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Feel free to debate your way out of the camps, bro.

[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 months ago

We're not in camps. We're not fighting a war. Of course military violence is okay when you're fighting for your life, but that's not current society. This is an ideological war.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Feel free to punch your way out. You’ll find it equally effective.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's what the guns are for, centrist.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net -5 points 2 months ago

Not sure what guns have to do with the ineffectiveness of punching Nazis but OK.

[–] Baaahb@feddit.nl 9 points 2 months ago

Nazis aren't interested in what communists have to say. A communist, for the record, is anyone a Nazi disagrees with. The only acceptable place for a communist, according to a nazi, is in the ground. If you want to let Nazis come for you, I guess that's fine for you. When Nazis co.e for your loved ones and you Stans there like a fucking coward and let them take them because "much precious nonviolence" I guess that's your call.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I can kick 200cm from the ground, so I'm going to use that tool to keep the world just :/

Edit OH SHIT OH SHIT 180CM not 200 I'm not Jet Li