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Right, like uhh you know the average life span for a healthy male used to be 25 years right? Did you think that was for no reason? Smfh.
Did you think 90 years passed and suddenly the life span tripled?
The idiocy
Edit: to make sure some of the responses aren't misunderstanding my point - medicine.
Scientific advances. Technology, research, people knowing how to literally wash their fucking hands added years to the lifespan.
And yes it has tripled in some cases. 18th century France the life expectancy was twenty four years old.
This increase to what we see today is LARGELY due to medical care and sanitation alone.
It's all over the board back then, in fact, because of sanitation. Diseases would.come and go and life expentencies would sink like a tanker because sanitation was non existent.
So yes I exaggerated the time span, obviously, but I wasn't kidding about the tripling part - if a bit vaguely.
25, that is quite a historical extreme, isn't it?
In the wild, average live span was around 40 to 50 years. There's even studies about the evolutional reasons why we live longer than other primates/why we are the only hominide with grandparents.
Sure, it is an extreme. As in my edit I stated: this is due to sanitation. It is all over the board throughout the 15th-18th century world because pandemics/diseases/epidemics came and went and sanitation was so low and medicine was so bad that people dropped like flies, and thus did the life expentency average.
In particular, my "25 year l.e." example was about 18th century France.
25 was a shortened life span due to agriculture. We live longer than cave men now, but it hasn't tripled.
It was an average largely brought down by childhood mortality. If you made it to ten you'd probably see thirty, if you made it to 25 you'd probably see 50ish.
This (at least I think) exactly. There were so many deaths at birth/during childhood from things that are easily fixed now. I've also seen some places say if you made it to the teens, you're pretty likely to hit 50ish.
Are the other time periods not counting that?
No they are, that is why we have an average lifespan of around 75 now.
So then why does it matter that the average was brought down by higher child mortality? We're just comparing average life spans, not adding conditions, right?
Yeah, only (almost) doubled. Why the downvotes, you're right.
I think everybody else was inferring a healthy 25 year old man, not life expectancy from birth (counting children).
Or their idea of "natural" is 18th century France.
No? Medical care and sanitation. Unless youre speaking of a specific event in time. But yes it has tripled in the 25yo cases? Avg life span now is in the 70s.
I'm speaking of natural humans, not humans during the 18th century. And I'm counting children.
Nearly doubling is still very good! In case this needs to be said, I'm on team science, not team antivax.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by natural humans - are there artificial ones?? 🤔
As in the way humans lived for most of the time we've been humans.
I see yeah, before all the crazy diseases borne of overpopulation etc.