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She set a tone at the very start when she walked right into his space to shake his hand and made him almost pull back into himself in response. She was in charge and never stopped being in charge. 

Harris also managed what neither Joe Biden nor Hillary Clinton nor any of the 2016 Republicans managed to do which is successfully bait Donald Trump and get under his skin. Within a few minutes Trump was visibly angry and not in a way that empowered him but in a way that made him lose focus, go down rabbit holes and generally go off onto damaging tangents. Spittle anger, not righteous anger, shall we say.

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[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (3 children)

As others said, she would mainly be converting independent voters and potentially some Republican leaning voters that don't actually like Trump but are hesitant to cross party lines.

But I also think it's likely that his terrible performance and obvious weakness could be demoralizing to his more devoted followers. The people who buy into the stable genius strong man image he is so desperate to project got a chance to see just what a sad old wreck of a human being he is. Even if virtually none of them switch sides, a decline in enthusiasm likely translates into slightly fewer donations, slightly less engagement, and ultimately slightly less voter turnout.

To put it another way, did Biden's debate performance convert his base into Trump voters? No. But, it sure as hell had an effect on them.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I can tell you, based on what the conservatives were posting last night, they were excited as hell about Trump's performance.

It's weird...so fucking weird. You people (conservatives) are reasonable in real life, how can you watch this shit show and be excited about it?

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I would expect the Trump supporters that are posting (particularly the ones posting as they watch) to post their support and approval for everything Trump says and does. Any that are disappointed or discouraged by what they saw are probably more likely to say nothing. People are quick to express the knee-jerk reaction they want to have, but it often takes time to process when they feel let down.

I mean, yes, absolutely, there have to be people who nodded in agreement at everything Trump said, who were excited when he brought up the immigrants eating pets, who felt that Trump was the only sane one there. But there also had to be some that were frustrated with what they were seeing, and who now have a little less energy to devote to the election. Will the latter group be large enough to have an impact? We'll have to wait and see.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Good response...I hope you're right.