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[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don’t see your point about about the 44-28 plurality.

That's kind of the big point there. Basically, people like the idea of a cease fire. It's like asking "should people be happy?" Who would say no? BUT, the devil is in the details. Hamas said yes but Israel argued "no more Hamas" (which, y'know, after Hamas organized and executed the murder and sexual assault of more than a thousand people is not entirely wild) so what does the US do? Force Israel to capitulate, withdraw and allow Hamas to function? The polling for that would look a lot different.

(And full military withdrawal from Gaza is a no go for Israel as it would almost certainly allow Hamas to rearm, resupply and rebuild.)

That being said, I think Netanyahu is the largest obstacle to peace here but I also know enough to know that the Israelis who have dealt with military attacks and acts of terrorism like suicide bombings since inception have some understandable security concerns.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.

During the current war, Hamas officials have said that the group does not want to return to ruling Gaza and that it advocates for forming a government of technocrats to be agreed upon by the various Palestinian factions. That government would then prepare for elections in Gaza and the West Bank, with the intention of forming a unified government.

Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

Sources

Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ

The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.

  • Avi Shlaim

How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

Hamas officials should be held accountable for all war crimes committed, same as all Israeli officials. That said, there are many parallels between the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Gaza.

In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video