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'One of the most horrific massacres': Dozens killed in Israeli attack on Gaza 'humanitarian zone'
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But they are, that is the situation we are in. At every point we can say Hamas is a piece of shit group for using human shields, but that's not gonna change the situation. You keep saying that Hamas isn't getting enough criticism, but I think bombardment by the IDF is criticism enough. The whole ask is, stop shooting through the human shields to kill the bad guys. Even here there is doubt that there even was Hamas hiding with civilians to begin with. We are just giving Israel loads and loads of money, but we can't even get a more definitive answer than "we said so"? At this point I can only think that, even if by some chance Israel really isn't commiting a genocide, the end result will be indistinguishable from it. Palestine and it's people will be erased physically or culturally and we are allowing it to happen, and any pointing that out is met with "Hamas is the one using them as shields" or "Hamas started it". Hamas is unconscionable. Israel isn't, or atleast they say they aren't.
We also have tons of evidence of the IDF using civilians as human shields, including children.
I actually haven't even heard about this tbh, usually I just see another massacre of civilians in the news and go about my day feeling like shit
Yeah. There's a reason you haven't heard about it.
You can search for it yourself. Or look at another comment I made either in this thread or another where I linked to several sources about it.
This is a religious ethnostate with compulsory military service where they indoctrinate every single one of their citizens to believe that Palestinians are subhuman. And I mean this quite literally, they have completely dehumanized the Palestinian people in ever sense of the word.
And when you don't see them as people, they can become useful meat shields.
Ignoring your comment since you're misrepresenting my argument. No need to address anything you said, this is simply an attempt to reframe my concern that criticism of Hamas is met with whataboutism.
Just look at the soap box this user takes advantage of when I say no one should use human shields. "Yea Hamas does it, but Israel???"
Tell me what criticism of Hamas accomplishes then. They went and killed a thousand innocent Israelis, they hide among civilians, resulting in said civilians deaths. What now? Do I get a gold star for pointing out the terrorists? Do the dead get to cheer that their death meant another Hamas militant died (or didn't in the case of this article)?Are the living supposed to feel grateful to Israel that their family and friends are dead, needless to say hateful towards Hamas for hiding amongst them? What is the goal here? What are me, and the dozens of other people here, missing that only you seem to see?
Tell me what criticism of Hamas accomplishes then. They went and killed a thousand innocent Israelis, they hide among civilians, resulting in said civilians deaths. What now? Do I get a gold star for pointing out the terrorists? Do the dead get to cheer that their death meant another Hamas militant died (or didn't in the case of this article)?Are the living supposed to feel grateful to Israel that their family and friends are dead, needless to say hateful towards Hamas for hiding amongst them? What is the goal here? What are me, and the dozens of other people here, missing that only you seem to see? And again I will point it out, this entire thread started when you saw an article takling about Israel's recent mistake, and said "But why isn't anyome criticising Hamas?"
There's proof it's a mistake? Also, misrepresenting my argument. It's getting more and more clear what's going on here...
Also, I think you meant to reply to me, not yourself?
Again, what is your argument?
I'm really done with you now, you are simply wasting my time trying to distract from discussion.
That's really it? I thought it would actually be something important. I actually even agreed with your criticism of Hamas. Like, it's been needless to say that criticism of Hamas has been had already, since way before this thread. Since October 7th even. Your time is being wasted because you wasted it yourself.
Mmk
Edit: downplaying the quite evident problem here where if you are critical of Hamas your argument is shut down with whataboutism and accusations of justifying genocide.
I'm saying that you are bringing back a discussion had many times over and trying to claim that no one has had it. It's redundant. The article is about an action by Israel, of course the discussion is gonna be about that action.
False, this is reframing my argument again.
Changing my argument for your sake is not civil discussion.
An argument expressing the futility of criticizing Hamas while attempting to redirect criticism towards Israel... Now that's funny.
Edit: lol like I need to entertain these whataboutisms... Demanding answers...
Where is your answer?
Lol, it's funny how clearly you can see patterns as soon as you tag a commentor.
Your entire argument here has been whatsboutism.