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I was unaware vegans did not eat honey. Feels like a plant product that animals prepare. I mean we are stealing it from them though.
The fundamental philosophy behind veganism is one which recognises that other living beings do not exist to be exploited. The same reasons you would (hopefully) not break into your neighbour's home and raid their pantry apply to bees.
We don't know what it is like to be a bee but it seems like an extraordinary and morally risky claim to suppose it is like nothing to be a bee. That you can no more upset a bee than you can upset a rock. If they work hard to make honey, are willing to kill themselves defending it, who are we to use force to take it just so we can enjoy a sweet taste?
We vegans avoid animal products not because of some arcane system of rules, but because we are trying to avoid hurting others for our pleasure.
ok so it is basically the stealing thing. I was just not sure as far as common usage. There are so many levels between like a fruitarian and a lacto/ovo vegetarian.
Those things are diets, veganism is a philosophy/way of living. Due to the philosophy we avoid animal products.
It's like, some people eat vegetarian because they're practicing Buddhism but eating vegetarian doesn't make someone a Buddhist.
There's been a degree of coopting the label of vegan with environmental stuff, or health stuff. Some plant based capitalism marketing stuff as vegan while killing animals to make it (e.g. beyond or impossible). Veganism is the non-human animal rights movement though, and there is more too it than a diet.
I was unaware. I thought it was a type of diet. Granted fruitarian as I have known it explained is around not killing things but I still really just thought of it as a diet.
Why do the renters simply not move away if a landlord is exploiting them? Obviously they prefer renting, landlords are an example of symbiosis between the bourgeois and the working class.
guess i'll go live in a tree
Is it bees need idyllic hives or any random tree is just as good?
I'm trying to point out that someone staying somewhere doesn't mean they like all the conditions. Based off the fact bees will literally kill themselves to defend their honey it is not difficult to conclude that they are not happy about the harvesting of it.
going to need a source on that cause i failed to find one. not that they want to keep honey, that much is obviously instinct, but that they will attack to protect it. most keepers i know of never get stung during normal procedures. you even hear stories of colonies getting used to the keepers' routines and following them around.
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It is an animal product that is produced from their bodies. Using the same logic you could argue meat is a plant product as cows eat grass and hay.
Honey is more like milk than meat, ethically speaking. You don't have to kill the animal to get it.
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yeah but meat is a part of them. honey is a food they produce for themselves. I mean the bees eating honey are not practicing cannibalism.