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How many more children have to die before you reconsider your support of Israel?
Every one of them until they stop attacking Israel and especially taking hostages.
If your kids got take hostage, would you limit what you would do to get them back?
How many children have been taken hostage by the IDF from the West Bank without trial or judicial process, but instead by a military tribunal without a right to representation and the only testimony that matters is that of the soldiers that kidnapped them in the first place?
Is it in the thousands? I think it is.
They have children too.
Would you be okay with me moving into your garden and building a hut there and threatening you when you protest ? And when you silently let me live in your garden I bring all my family and friends and build more and start taking your rooms because you know, I need the place and some ancestor of mine told me God promised me your garden. Would you maybe wanna hit me if I don't stop?
I wouldnt be ok. I would go to court and sue you. I wouldnt send suicide bombers to your child’s school for that. I wouldnt fire rockets to your entire neighborhood and I wouldnt take 5000 of my friends - invade your original home and kidnap 250 of your family memebers and put them in tunnels and say I would give you 25 of them back alive only if you stop searching for them.
The court doesn't give a shit, though. Look at what's happening with the international court.
Oh, and also, the police is supporting me with weapons to fuck you up if you try to chase me from your lawn.
Anyway whatever hammas did is not justified by the Israeli occupation/ illegal settlements / jewish terroristic settlers
You've got the metaphor wrong, and it's a useless argument to defend even if it was correct because almost every other country in the entire world is on "stolen" land.
Jewish people have been there for literally thousands of years. So have the ancestors of the Palestinians. Neither was the country that existed even just prior to the formation of Israel. So they fought, and even with support from multiple neighbors the Palestinians lost. Now it's Israel.
Who wins is how borders work in the real world.
Unless you're also supporting giving back your land to the previous inhabitants completely... Should all non-native Americans leave north America? Should England give their land back to the Celts? Should we all climb back into the womb in Africa and just disappear the human race?
So if putin wins ukraine belongs to him ?
Yes, that's how it works. He already took Crimea in 2014 from Ukraine.
At least you're consistent with your opinions.
I'm consistent with all of history.
Borders wouldn't exist unless people (and groups of people) had some sort of conflict over who controls what.
Oh I am sorry. I thought I was talking to someone sharing the consensus we formed as an international community after world war 2 to keep a status quo regarding borders (except for some peaceful special cases) represented by the UN and to stop all the useless expansionist fighting all through history.
This fighting you apparently approve and are completely fine with stronger countries just invading others for expansion of their territory. That is a very shitty world you want to live in.
Just some examples of what you are apparently super fine with:
Russia completely conquering Ukraine and that being accepted by everyone. China annexing Taiwan and while we are at it why not just most of SEA as well. The Republicans just fighting their way to control of the US if they happen to lose the election. I mean people fight and who wins is right, right?
In my example above I shouldn't even bother slowly creeping onto your land but just fight you for it and if I win I got a free new home. Sounds like a utopia, doesn't it?
Just for the record. I am not even primarily for a Palestinian state. But it is a way better alternative than to just kill an entire population because you can't live in peace with them. And I am aware that it's not just Jewish peoples fault that this apparently doesn't work. But annihilation is never a solution.
The UN approved borders for Israel after the world wars, and 5 neighbouring countries invaded Israel the day it declared independence and was supposed to take effect because they weren't happy with them.
So clearly annihilation was a perfect answer.
When thousands of other kids were getting killed? When hostages are dying anyway, including by being shot at by the IDF while emerging unarmed, shirtless and waving a white flag? I sure as fuck would. In fact, I'd be telling the world that Israel was doing nothing but make my child's life worth nothing.