I mean if your argument is that things will be cleaner if you wash them twice (once with paper and once with water), compared to washing it once, then the answer is obviously yes washing twice will make things cleaner than washing them once.

I do agree that alternating between scrubbing (paper) and rinsing (bidet) will probably get you cleaner - but based on the comments I see, that's not what bidet users are actually doing.

But yes, folks need to wash their asses better.
And their hands too, way too many people leave public washroom without washing their hands. Wtf.

[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, that's not my argument. It's that the first thing we do when we are about to wipe down a counter (or anything else) with a rag is to get the rag wet. It's that none of us trust a dry wiping/cleaning tool to be effective, it's just going to smear the funk around.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, the first things you do when you're about to wipe a counter with a rag is to get a rag.

Sometimes you wipe with a wet cloth, occasionally you wipe with a dry cloth, but you never wipe with no cloth and just water.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think TP is better that bidets, but this sanctimonious metaphor is just so dumb that I can't deal with it.

[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You haven't understood my pretty clear language and then are calling my metaphor dumb? Wow.

You don't wipe with no cloth and just water alone? No shit, are you going for a promotion from Captain Obvious to Major Lee Obvious?

Your "no, the first thing you do is get the rag" is about the dumbest response I can imagine and inaccurate since the situation was framed as "wipe with a rag" implying a situation where one already has the rag. You might as well have wrote "the first thing you do is put on appropriate non-skid footwear and remove any rings."

You're not pedantic, you're pretending to score points by calling me out for omitting the incredibly obvious parts that really didn't need to be said at all.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

the first thing you do is get a rag

Was because you were downplaying the importance of the rag. The rag is more important than the water is. If you're cleaning a mess, and your choice is between water and rag, you choose the rag.

How commonly do bidet users scrub with both TP and water in a single sitting? The internet and this comment section suggests it's pretty rare.

People are choosing between bidet (water) and tp (rag), and in your analogy, you're saying the sensible choice is to wash something with only water and no rag. Your analogy only holds water (lol) if you don't actually think about it.

Is that clear enough for you?

[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

No, my point has always been that you wouldn't try to clean anything with a dry rag, so bidets make more sense than toilet paper. My example was putting peanut butter on watermelon and wiping it with toilet paper, you'd still expect it to smell like peanut butter, would you not? IYou took it to have some meaning I never intended.

I had a bidet for a while and would use it, drip for a bit, then dry off and "finish" with a round toilet paper. It's a pretty easy way to prevent the possibility of bidet water dripping down your leg and just felt...cleaner? This is a shitty conversation anyway ;) Anyway, this seems like we just misunderstood each other. I apologize for my share of the barbs. Take care.