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[โ€“] faltryka@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Will be interesting to see if knife laws like this have a measurable impact, it could serve as a proxy to give us better data about what may and may not work elsewhere, for example firearms in the US.

[โ€“] YourPrivatHater@ani.social 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just look at UK to see how much they don't do.

[โ€“] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The UK has the joint lowest knife homicide rates in the world, tied with Monaco. They both have 0.08 knife deaths per 100k.

Germany is 0.23 per 100k (almost 3x higher).

The US has 0.6 per 100k (7.5x higher).

South Africa has 16.95 per 100k (212x higher, god damn).

The UK appearing to have a lot of knife crime is actually a result of knife crime being so low. If someone gets stabbed to death in the UK, it makes (inter)national news, which leads to the impression of knife crime being high.

Source: United Nations Global Study on Homicide

[โ€“] YourPrivatHater@ani.social -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah and now look at acid and other stablery. Thats the point. They find replacements. And its not hard to get a gun in Germany.

[โ€“] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The UK is pretty low on violent crime in general. And literally the best in the world when it comes to knife crime.

Stop spreading misinformation.

[โ€“] YourPrivatHater@ani.social -4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

No, no its not. Stop sweeping shit under the rug. London looks like 1984 was a guide to society, it doesn't stop all attacks, it absolutely doesn't stop terrorism and its not actually reducing crime, your criminals now just use acid.

[โ€“] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes, it is.

London does not look like 1984 was it's guide - have you even read 1984?

It's about an oppressive dictatorship that strictly rations goods to its citizens, where healthcare access is limited, where the government mandates spy devices in homes, where the government abducts and tortures people who (even silently) disagree with the government.

None of that applies to the UK. I'm tired of people who clearly haven't read 1984 say everything is literally 1984. Read the book. Then you can talk about what is and what isn't 1984.

Of course it doesn't stop all crime, are you dense? Seatbelts and airbags don't stop all car injuries, that doesn't mean we should get rid of them and call them a failure, does it?

You may as well say "murder being illegal doesn't stop all murders, so why punish it at all?"

[โ€“] Kissaki 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They literally shared the numbers and their source. If you want to claim otherwise, you'll have to provide something more than just your claim.

You also seem to be moving the goalpost. What does using acid have to do with violent crimes hurting others?

[โ€“] federalreverse 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't want to take sides here โ€” but I'll add context here:

What does using acid have to do with violent crimes hurting others?

Pouring acid in someone's face is a violent crime. Related Wikipedia entry

[โ€“] Kissaki 2 points 2 months ago

I thought they were talking about the drug