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[–] fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (17 children)

I don't know if you know this but p25 is already well under way with massive changes being made by the captured judicial branches as well as heritage foundation approved bipartisan bills being passed.

The administration has the entire plan in their hands. They could at least act in some way to put up safeguards so that our democracy isn't instantly dismantled the second a republican president is sworn in. Otherwise it's only a matter of time before it happens regardless.

Edit: All y'all demanding me come up with a solution. I am the one asking for anyone in charge to come to with a counter plan. The republicans have a plan to dismantle the government as soon as they enter power and are currently enacting pieces of their plan under a democrat administration. They will continue doing so regardless unless they are stopped.

WE CANNOT COUNT ON WINNING EVERY ELECTION IN PERPETUITY

As soon as the republicans win it's over. If there is nothing that can be done to stop them THEN WE'VE ALREADY LOST

Edit2: The biden admin might not have congress, but they could at the very least create proposals or laws that could stem the tide and hold on to them until they know they would pass, but as far as I'm aware they haven't done or talked about anything like that

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

Cool. So what specifically could Biden do right now? More specific than just saying "safeguards" as if that's a fucking response.

[–] fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

We're on the same side here. I am a trans person. If a republican gains the presidency the consequences will literally be devastating to my life and liberty. Every single day republicans are crafting and putting forward policy to make my life harder. I am not a politician, I do not craft policy, but it seems like asking for a plan from people whose jobs are to craft policy to stop the plan that is currently underway to erase my existence and gain permanent capture of the US doesn't seem like that much of an ask does it? If no such plan is crafted, then the second a republican wins the white house it's over, there's no going back and we can kiss our freedom goodbye. Please I am begging for just a shred of empathy here

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Please look at my comment history, I've been nothing but an ally. You've misunderstood my point.

The term "safeguards" is extremely vague.

Trump belongs in prison, but just declaring that "they should put him away" or whatever, isn't an actual solution. That's not how the justice system works. He hasn't been sentenced yet.

My comment was one of realism. It's easy to just say, "put him in jail," but that's just simply not how it works here (and for very good reason). Hence the request for specifics.

We have separation of powers for a reason. The head of the executive branch cannot (thankfully) unilaterally put their political opponents in prison.

So I ask again, what specifically can the executive branch do in terms of "safeguards"? This is an honest question.

[–] FollyDolly@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What do you mean, we can't throw him in prison!? IF we had a functional justice system he would have been hung as a traitor to the United States. He tried to overthrow the government and kill the vice president. There should have been no coming back from that. This isn't just hearsay we saw it happen live. Then he sold documents to any foreign government who showed interest, which is also highly, HIGHLY illegal.

If the justice system is so broken as to not penalize a man who is attempted to take down our democracy multiple times, than project 2025 is inevitable. If it not illegal to overthrow the government, than why does it matter who we elect?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

hung

He's definitely not that.

But in all seroiusness... Are you purposefully missing the point? This is how the justice system works, you don't get accused of aiding the enemy and then instantly hanged. That's not how it works. We already execute innocent people all of the time in spite of a robust appeals system.

I understand that this is a pretty cut and dry case, but that doesn't mean we get to just completely bypass the rule of law and hang suspected traitors. They still need to follow the law, and that means sentencing after a guilty verdict. He has not been sentenced yet (nor was he convicted of treason).

Shit moves slow, and yes there are people in this case that have been dragging their feet (such as Trump appointee Aileen Cannon), but that doesn't mean we just skip a few steps and execute people.

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